Water Pump/dealership Problems A4 2.8 Quatro
11-14-2005 | 06:47 PM
#41
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Re: Water Pump/dealership Problems A4 2.8 Quatro
"Dana" <pperrd@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1131997869.966983.172110@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> no, it was a dealership. My car has only been to dealerships, most of
> them giving great service, but different a different story of when
> timing belt is due to be changed.
>
> I called Audi HO in Canada and she said it was due at 112,000 km (but
> according to my schedule) I do not see that. One dealership told me
> 120,000km another 168,000km.
>
> I purchased the 1999 from a dealership that said the 96,000 ("expensive
> service") was completely done.
>
> ?? I am tired of the run around.
>
Part of the problem seems to be that Audi has changed the recommended
service interval for the TB since my A4 was made in 1998. The maintenance
booklet that came with the car specifically states to change the TB every
90,000 miles in the 2.8L engine. Audi apparently no longer recommends that
long between changes of the TB - presumably because of a significant number
of failures prior to the 90,000 mile mark. Now if you decided to wait until
90,000 miles and the TB failed at 89,000 miles, you'd be fighting Audi over
who'd foot the $7,000 or more bill for engine repairs. As to why the dealer
changed the belt, you may have a case if your receipt shows clearly that
they were not to change the belt without confirming with you in the first
place. I think there was a breakdown in communication but the fact remains
that most knowledgable people on this news group not to mention those on
audiworld.com believe replacing the TB along with a failing water pump at
78,000 miles is the proper thing to do. That's not to say that Audi cannot
be faulted for a design that makes routine maintenance items so expensive to
replace.
news:1131997869.966983.172110@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> no, it was a dealership. My car has only been to dealerships, most of
> them giving great service, but different a different story of when
> timing belt is due to be changed.
>
> I called Audi HO in Canada and she said it was due at 112,000 km (but
> according to my schedule) I do not see that. One dealership told me
> 120,000km another 168,000km.
>
> I purchased the 1999 from a dealership that said the 96,000 ("expensive
> service") was completely done.
>
> ?? I am tired of the run around.
>
Part of the problem seems to be that Audi has changed the recommended
service interval for the TB since my A4 was made in 1998. The maintenance
booklet that came with the car specifically states to change the TB every
90,000 miles in the 2.8L engine. Audi apparently no longer recommends that
long between changes of the TB - presumably because of a significant number
of failures prior to the 90,000 mile mark. Now if you decided to wait until
90,000 miles and the TB failed at 89,000 miles, you'd be fighting Audi over
who'd foot the $7,000 or more bill for engine repairs. As to why the dealer
changed the belt, you may have a case if your receipt shows clearly that
they were not to change the belt without confirming with you in the first
place. I think there was a breakdown in communication but the fact remains
that most knowledgable people on this news group not to mention those on
audiworld.com believe replacing the TB along with a failing water pump at
78,000 miles is the proper thing to do. That's not to say that Audi cannot
be faulted for a design that makes routine maintenance items so expensive to
replace.
11-15-2005 | 12:23 AM
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Re: Water Pump/dealership Problems A4 2.8 Quatro
On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:47:24 -0700, "Ian S" <iws51remove@***.net>
wrote:
>"Dana" <pperrd@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1131997869.966983.172110@g49g2000cwa.googleg roups.com...
>> no, it was a dealership. My car has only been to dealerships, most of
>> them giving great service, but different a different story of when
>> timing belt is due to be changed.
>>
>> I called Audi HO in Canada and she said it was due at 112,000 km (but
>> according to my schedule) I do not see that. One dealership told me
>> 120,000km another 168,000km.
>>
>> I purchased the 1999 from a dealership that said the 96,000 ("expensive
>> service") was completely done.
>>
>> ?? I am tired of the run around.
>>
>Part of the problem seems to be that Audi has changed the recommended
>service interval for the TB since my A4 was made in 1998. The maintenance
>booklet that came with the car specifically states to change the TB every
>90,000 miles in the 2.8L engine. Audi apparently no longer recommends that
>long between changes of the TB - presumably because of a significant number
>of failures prior to the 90,000 mile mark.
My 2001 2.8L V6 calls for a timing belt replacement at 105,000 miles.
That is both in the manual and what the dealer says.
wrote:
>"Dana" <pperrd@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1131997869.966983.172110@g49g2000cwa.googleg roups.com...
>> no, it was a dealership. My car has only been to dealerships, most of
>> them giving great service, but different a different story of when
>> timing belt is due to be changed.
>>
>> I called Audi HO in Canada and she said it was due at 112,000 km (but
>> according to my schedule) I do not see that. One dealership told me
>> 120,000km another 168,000km.
>>
>> I purchased the 1999 from a dealership that said the 96,000 ("expensive
>> service") was completely done.
>>
>> ?? I am tired of the run around.
>>
>Part of the problem seems to be that Audi has changed the recommended
>service interval for the TB since my A4 was made in 1998. The maintenance
>booklet that came with the car specifically states to change the TB every
>90,000 miles in the 2.8L engine. Audi apparently no longer recommends that
>long between changes of the TB - presumably because of a significant number
>of failures prior to the 90,000 mile mark.
My 2001 2.8L V6 calls for a timing belt replacement at 105,000 miles.
That is both in the manual and what the dealer says.
11-15-2005 | 12:23 AM
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Re: Water Pump/dealership Problems A4 2.8 Quatro
On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:47:24 -0700, "Ian S" <iws51remove@***.net>
wrote:
>"Dana" <pperrd@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1131997869.966983.172110@g49g2000cwa.googleg roups.com...
>> no, it was a dealership. My car has only been to dealerships, most of
>> them giving great service, but different a different story of when
>> timing belt is due to be changed.
>>
>> I called Audi HO in Canada and she said it was due at 112,000 km (but
>> according to my schedule) I do not see that. One dealership told me
>> 120,000km another 168,000km.
>>
>> I purchased the 1999 from a dealership that said the 96,000 ("expensive
>> service") was completely done.
>>
>> ?? I am tired of the run around.
>>
>Part of the problem seems to be that Audi has changed the recommended
>service interval for the TB since my A4 was made in 1998. The maintenance
>booklet that came with the car specifically states to change the TB every
>90,000 miles in the 2.8L engine. Audi apparently no longer recommends that
>long between changes of the TB - presumably because of a significant number
>of failures prior to the 90,000 mile mark.
My 2001 2.8L V6 calls for a timing belt replacement at 105,000 miles.
That is both in the manual and what the dealer says.
wrote:
>"Dana" <pperrd@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1131997869.966983.172110@g49g2000cwa.googleg roups.com...
>> no, it was a dealership. My car has only been to dealerships, most of
>> them giving great service, but different a different story of when
>> timing belt is due to be changed.
>>
>> I called Audi HO in Canada and she said it was due at 112,000 km (but
>> according to my schedule) I do not see that. One dealership told me
>> 120,000km another 168,000km.
>>
>> I purchased the 1999 from a dealership that said the 96,000 ("expensive
>> service") was completely done.
>>
>> ?? I am tired of the run around.
>>
>Part of the problem seems to be that Audi has changed the recommended
>service interval for the TB since my A4 was made in 1998. The maintenance
>booklet that came with the car specifically states to change the TB every
>90,000 miles in the 2.8L engine. Audi apparently no longer recommends that
>long between changes of the TB - presumably because of a significant number
>of failures prior to the 90,000 mile mark.
My 2001 2.8L V6 calls for a timing belt replacement at 105,000 miles.
That is both in the manual and what the dealer says.
11-15-2005 | 12:23 AM
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Re: Water Pump/dealership Problems A4 2.8 Quatro
On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:47:24 -0700, "Ian S" <iws51remove@***.net>
wrote:
>"Dana" <pperrd@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1131997869.966983.172110@g49g2000cwa.googleg roups.com...
>> no, it was a dealership. My car has only been to dealerships, most of
>> them giving great service, but different a different story of when
>> timing belt is due to be changed.
>>
>> I called Audi HO in Canada and she said it was due at 112,000 km (but
>> according to my schedule) I do not see that. One dealership told me
>> 120,000km another 168,000km.
>>
>> I purchased the 1999 from a dealership that said the 96,000 ("expensive
>> service") was completely done.
>>
>> ?? I am tired of the run around.
>>
>Part of the problem seems to be that Audi has changed the recommended
>service interval for the TB since my A4 was made in 1998. The maintenance
>booklet that came with the car specifically states to change the TB every
>90,000 miles in the 2.8L engine. Audi apparently no longer recommends that
>long between changes of the TB - presumably because of a significant number
>of failures prior to the 90,000 mile mark.
My 2001 2.8L V6 calls for a timing belt replacement at 105,000 miles.
That is both in the manual and what the dealer says.
wrote:
>"Dana" <pperrd@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1131997869.966983.172110@g49g2000cwa.googleg roups.com...
>> no, it was a dealership. My car has only been to dealerships, most of
>> them giving great service, but different a different story of when
>> timing belt is due to be changed.
>>
>> I called Audi HO in Canada and she said it was due at 112,000 km (but
>> according to my schedule) I do not see that. One dealership told me
>> 120,000km another 168,000km.
>>
>> I purchased the 1999 from a dealership that said the 96,000 ("expensive
>> service") was completely done.
>>
>> ?? I am tired of the run around.
>>
>Part of the problem seems to be that Audi has changed the recommended
>service interval for the TB since my A4 was made in 1998. The maintenance
>booklet that came with the car specifically states to change the TB every
>90,000 miles in the 2.8L engine. Audi apparently no longer recommends that
>long between changes of the TB - presumably because of a significant number
>of failures prior to the 90,000 mile mark.
My 2001 2.8L V6 calls for a timing belt replacement at 105,000 miles.
That is both in the manual and what the dealer says.
11-15-2005 | 12:23 AM
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Re: Water Pump/dealership Problems A4 2.8 Quatro
On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:47:24 -0700, "Ian S" <iws51remove@***.net>
wrote:
>"Dana" <pperrd@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1131997869.966983.172110@g49g2000cwa.googleg roups.com...
>> no, it was a dealership. My car has only been to dealerships, most of
>> them giving great service, but different a different story of when
>> timing belt is due to be changed.
>>
>> I called Audi HO in Canada and she said it was due at 112,000 km (but
>> according to my schedule) I do not see that. One dealership told me
>> 120,000km another 168,000km.
>>
>> I purchased the 1999 from a dealership that said the 96,000 ("expensive
>> service") was completely done.
>>
>> ?? I am tired of the run around.
>>
>Part of the problem seems to be that Audi has changed the recommended
>service interval for the TB since my A4 was made in 1998. The maintenance
>booklet that came with the car specifically states to change the TB every
>90,000 miles in the 2.8L engine. Audi apparently no longer recommends that
>long between changes of the TB - presumably because of a significant number
>of failures prior to the 90,000 mile mark.
My 2001 2.8L V6 calls for a timing belt replacement at 105,000 miles.
That is both in the manual and what the dealer says.
wrote:
>"Dana" <pperrd@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1131997869.966983.172110@g49g2000cwa.googleg roups.com...
>> no, it was a dealership. My car has only been to dealerships, most of
>> them giving great service, but different a different story of when
>> timing belt is due to be changed.
>>
>> I called Audi HO in Canada and she said it was due at 112,000 km (but
>> according to my schedule) I do not see that. One dealership told me
>> 120,000km another 168,000km.
>>
>> I purchased the 1999 from a dealership that said the 96,000 ("expensive
>> service") was completely done.
>>
>> ?? I am tired of the run around.
>>
>Part of the problem seems to be that Audi has changed the recommended
>service interval for the TB since my A4 was made in 1998. The maintenance
>booklet that came with the car specifically states to change the TB every
>90,000 miles in the 2.8L engine. Audi apparently no longer recommends that
>long between changes of the TB - presumably because of a significant number
>of failures prior to the 90,000 mile mark.
My 2001 2.8L V6 calls for a timing belt replacement at 105,000 miles.
That is both in the manual and what the dealer says.
11-15-2005 | 09:01 AM
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Re: Water Pump/dealership Problems A4 2.8 Quatro
Curtis, you are assuming that Audi is right! Ref. sludge issues in the
1.8t engines, caused, in part, by their 10k interval recommended oil
changes with conventional oil. They now recommend synthetic and the
first oil change at 5k, using a larger filter.
There are some things that you just need to do sooner, regardless of
what the manufacturer says. Timing belts between 60k and 80k and
frequent (3k - 5k) oil changes are just 2 of them. Sure, you can wait
until 105k, and if yours goes at 104k and ruins the engine, you can
debate with Audi for months over replacement (they will be looking for
a way to get out of it). Or you can do it between 60k and 80k and be
safe. It's up to you.
Dan D
'04 A4 1.8Tq MT-6
Central NJ USA
1.8t engines, caused, in part, by their 10k interval recommended oil
changes with conventional oil. They now recommend synthetic and the
first oil change at 5k, using a larger filter.
There are some things that you just need to do sooner, regardless of
what the manufacturer says. Timing belts between 60k and 80k and
frequent (3k - 5k) oil changes are just 2 of them. Sure, you can wait
until 105k, and if yours goes at 104k and ruins the engine, you can
debate with Audi for months over replacement (they will be looking for
a way to get out of it). Or you can do it between 60k and 80k and be
safe. It's up to you.
Dan D
'04 A4 1.8Tq MT-6
Central NJ USA
11-15-2005 | 09:01 AM
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Re: Water Pump/dealership Problems A4 2.8 Quatro
Curtis, you are assuming that Audi is right! Ref. sludge issues in the
1.8t engines, caused, in part, by their 10k interval recommended oil
changes with conventional oil. They now recommend synthetic and the
first oil change at 5k, using a larger filter.
There are some things that you just need to do sooner, regardless of
what the manufacturer says. Timing belts between 60k and 80k and
frequent (3k - 5k) oil changes are just 2 of them. Sure, you can wait
until 105k, and if yours goes at 104k and ruins the engine, you can
debate with Audi for months over replacement (they will be looking for
a way to get out of it). Or you can do it between 60k and 80k and be
safe. It's up to you.
Dan D
'04 A4 1.8Tq MT-6
Central NJ USA
1.8t engines, caused, in part, by their 10k interval recommended oil
changes with conventional oil. They now recommend synthetic and the
first oil change at 5k, using a larger filter.
There are some things that you just need to do sooner, regardless of
what the manufacturer says. Timing belts between 60k and 80k and
frequent (3k - 5k) oil changes are just 2 of them. Sure, you can wait
until 105k, and if yours goes at 104k and ruins the engine, you can
debate with Audi for months over replacement (they will be looking for
a way to get out of it). Or you can do it between 60k and 80k and be
safe. It's up to you.
Dan D
'04 A4 1.8Tq MT-6
Central NJ USA
11-15-2005 | 09:01 AM
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Re: Water Pump/dealership Problems A4 2.8 Quatro
Curtis, you are assuming that Audi is right! Ref. sludge issues in the
1.8t engines, caused, in part, by their 10k interval recommended oil
changes with conventional oil. They now recommend synthetic and the
first oil change at 5k, using a larger filter.
There are some things that you just need to do sooner, regardless of
what the manufacturer says. Timing belts between 60k and 80k and
frequent (3k - 5k) oil changes are just 2 of them. Sure, you can wait
until 105k, and if yours goes at 104k and ruins the engine, you can
debate with Audi for months over replacement (they will be looking for
a way to get out of it). Or you can do it between 60k and 80k and be
safe. It's up to you.
Dan D
'04 A4 1.8Tq MT-6
Central NJ USA
1.8t engines, caused, in part, by their 10k interval recommended oil
changes with conventional oil. They now recommend synthetic and the
first oil change at 5k, using a larger filter.
There are some things that you just need to do sooner, regardless of
what the manufacturer says. Timing belts between 60k and 80k and
frequent (3k - 5k) oil changes are just 2 of them. Sure, you can wait
until 105k, and if yours goes at 104k and ruins the engine, you can
debate with Audi for months over replacement (they will be looking for
a way to get out of it). Or you can do it between 60k and 80k and be
safe. It's up to you.
Dan D
'04 A4 1.8Tq MT-6
Central NJ USA
11-15-2005 | 09:01 AM
#49
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Re: Water Pump/dealership Problems A4 2.8 Quatro
Curtis, you are assuming that Audi is right! Ref. sludge issues in the
1.8t engines, caused, in part, by their 10k interval recommended oil
changes with conventional oil. They now recommend synthetic and the
first oil change at 5k, using a larger filter.
There are some things that you just need to do sooner, regardless of
what the manufacturer says. Timing belts between 60k and 80k and
frequent (3k - 5k) oil changes are just 2 of them. Sure, you can wait
until 105k, and if yours goes at 104k and ruins the engine, you can
debate with Audi for months over replacement (they will be looking for
a way to get out of it). Or you can do it between 60k and 80k and be
safe. It's up to you.
Dan D
'04 A4 1.8Tq MT-6
Central NJ USA
1.8t engines, caused, in part, by their 10k interval recommended oil
changes with conventional oil. They now recommend synthetic and the
first oil change at 5k, using a larger filter.
There are some things that you just need to do sooner, regardless of
what the manufacturer says. Timing belts between 60k and 80k and
frequent (3k - 5k) oil changes are just 2 of them. Sure, you can wait
until 105k, and if yours goes at 104k and ruins the engine, you can
debate with Audi for months over replacement (they will be looking for
a way to get out of it). Or you can do it between 60k and 80k and be
safe. It's up to you.
Dan D
'04 A4 1.8Tq MT-6
Central NJ USA
11-15-2005 | 11:36 PM
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Re: Water Pump/dealership Problems A4 2.8 Quatro
On 15 Nov 2005 06:01:49 -0800, "Dano58" <dan.dibiase@gmail.com> wrote:
>Curtis, you are assuming that Audi is right! Ref. sludge issues in the
>1.8t engines, caused, in part, by their 10k interval recommended oil
>changes with conventional oil. They now recommend synthetic and the
>first oil change at 5k, using a larger filter.
>
>There are some things that you just need to do sooner, regardless of
>what the manufacturer says. Timing belts between 60k and 80k and
>frequent (3k - 5k) oil changes are just 2 of them. Sure, you can wait
>until 105k, and if yours goes at 104k and ruins the engine, you can
>debate with Audi for months over replacement (they will be looking for
>a way to get out of it). Or you can do it between 60k and 80k and be
>safe. It's up to you.
>
I won't disagree, in fact, I plan to have the timing belt & water pump
replaced at 80,000 miles; along with the replacement of spark plugs,
etc. I was simply stating what the manual says and what the dealer
told me on the phone about 2 weeks ago.
I am also going to have the "lifetime" transmission fluid replaced at
80,000 miles.
I also change my own oil and replace it every 5,000 miles (using
synthetic and the Audi oil filter)
>Curtis, you are assuming that Audi is right! Ref. sludge issues in the
>1.8t engines, caused, in part, by their 10k interval recommended oil
>changes with conventional oil. They now recommend synthetic and the
>first oil change at 5k, using a larger filter.
>
>There are some things that you just need to do sooner, regardless of
>what the manufacturer says. Timing belts between 60k and 80k and
>frequent (3k - 5k) oil changes are just 2 of them. Sure, you can wait
>until 105k, and if yours goes at 104k and ruins the engine, you can
>debate with Audi for months over replacement (they will be looking for
>a way to get out of it). Or you can do it between 60k and 80k and be
>safe. It's up to you.
>
I won't disagree, in fact, I plan to have the timing belt & water pump
replaced at 80,000 miles; along with the replacement of spark plugs,
etc. I was simply stating what the manual says and what the dealer
told me on the phone about 2 weeks ago.
I am also going to have the "lifetime" transmission fluid replaced at
80,000 miles.
I also change my own oil and replace it every 5,000 miles (using
synthetic and the Audi oil filter)
