My 200 has a hard start issue and I'm suspicious the injectors are leaking.
(Cranks a long time and when it does start the exhaust smells and looks rich
like it was flooded.) I'm curious if replacing JUST the seals will correct
the problem or do I need to change the injectors too. The car has 132K on it
so I thought it may be just the seals. Am I correct? Anyone had a similar
experience?

How difficult is this job? Do I need to take off the intake manifold? The
Bentley manual suggests you can just pull out the injectors with the lines
attached. How is this possible? From peering under the hood it looks like
one would need to pull the intake manifold which does not look fun.

Any help is much appreciated.

Steve

 

Steve,
The injectors do indeed just pop straight out. Of course, there _IS_ a
special tool (I can hear your cry of "special tool agony" already...fear
not!) See:
http://www.humanspeakers.com/audi/injectors.htm
and most importantly:
http://www.humanspeakers.com/audi/injectors2.htm
which shows the tool - essentially an L-shaped piece with a slot cut in it
so that it grabs the injector below the hex, and then slots cut in the top
for a screwdriver to do what flat head screwdrivers do best - pry.
I wouldn't advise Huw's method of pulling on the lines for the reasons he
states - those old lines will kink and break. I've heard that careful
prying can pull them out.
Old seals leak unmetered air into (vacuum) and out of (under boost) the
engine (causing poor running) - the seals look like rubber donuts around the
injector. Leaking injectors can cause a loss of shutdown fuel pressure (as
can a leaky fuel pump check valve, leaking fuel metering head assembly,
leaking fuel lines under rubber undercar mounts) - some have had limited
success with cleaning them, but I believe that the best solution for leaking
injectors is to replace them.
Cheers!
Steve Sears
1987 Audi 5kTQ
1980 Audi 5k
1962 and '64 Auto Union DKW Junior deLuxes
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"~ Elektraman ~" <smarty@mn.rr.com> wrote in message
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> My 200 has a hard start issue and I'm suspicious the injectors are
> leaking. (Cranks a long time and when it does start the exhaust smells and
> looks rich like it was flooded.) I'm curious if replacing JUST the seals
> will correct the problem or do I need to change the injectors too. The car
> has 132K on it so I thought it may be just the seals. Am I correct? Anyone
> had a similar experience?
>
> How difficult is this job? Do I need to take off the intake manifold? The
> Bentley manual suggests you can just pull out the injectors with the lines
> attached. How is this possible? From peering under the hood it looks like
> one would need to pull the intake manifold which does not look fun.
>
> Any help is much appreciated.
>
> Steve
>

 

Steve,
The injectors do indeed just pop straight out. Of course, there _IS_ a
special tool (I can hear your cry of "special tool agony" already...fear
not!) See:
http://www.humanspeakers.com/audi/injectors.htm
and most importantly:
http://www.humanspeakers.com/audi/injectors2.htm
which shows the tool - essentially an L-shaped piece with a slot cut in it
so that it grabs the injector below the hex, and then slots cut in the top
for a screwdriver to do what flat head screwdrivers do best - pry.
I wouldn't advise Huw's method of pulling on the lines for the reasons he
states - those old lines will kink and break. I've heard that careful
prying can pull them out.
Old seals leak unmetered air into (vacuum) and out of (under boost) the
engine (causing poor running) - the seals look like rubber donuts around the
injector. Leaking injectors can cause a loss of shutdown fuel pressure (as
can a leaky fuel pump check valve, leaking fuel metering head assembly,
leaking fuel lines under rubber undercar mounts) - some have had limited
success with cleaning them, but I believe that the best solution for leaking
injectors is to replace them.
Cheers!
Steve Sears
1987 Audi 5kTQ
1980 Audi 5k
1962 and '64 Auto Union DKW Junior deLuxes
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"~ Elektraman ~" <smarty@mn.rr.com> wrote in message
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> My 200 has a hard start issue and I'm suspicious the injectors are
> leaking. (Cranks a long time and when it does start the exhaust smells and
> looks rich like it was flooded.) I'm curious if replacing JUST the seals
> will correct the problem or do I need to change the injectors too. The car
> has 132K on it so I thought it may be just the seals. Am I correct? Anyone
> had a similar experience?
>
> How difficult is this job? Do I need to take off the intake manifold? The
> Bentley manual suggests you can just pull out the injectors with the lines
> attached. How is this possible? From peering under the hood it looks like
> one would need to pull the intake manifold which does not look fun.
>
> Any help is much appreciated.
>
> Steve
>

 

Steve,
The injectors do indeed just pop straight out. Of course, there _IS_ a
special tool (I can hear your cry of "special tool agony" already...fear
not!) See:
http://www.humanspeakers.com/audi/injectors.htm
and most importantly:
http://www.humanspeakers.com/audi/injectors2.htm
which shows the tool - essentially an L-shaped piece with a slot cut in it
so that it grabs the injector below the hex, and then slots cut in the top
for a screwdriver to do what flat head screwdrivers do best - pry.
I wouldn't advise Huw's method of pulling on the lines for the reasons he
states - those old lines will kink and break. I've heard that careful
prying can pull them out.
Old seals leak unmetered air into (vacuum) and out of (under boost) the
engine (causing poor running) - the seals look like rubber donuts around the
injector. Leaking injectors can cause a loss of shutdown fuel pressure (as
can a leaky fuel pump check valve, leaking fuel metering head assembly,
leaking fuel lines under rubber undercar mounts) - some have had limited
success with cleaning them, but I believe that the best solution for leaking
injectors is to replace them.
Cheers!
Steve Sears
1987 Audi 5kTQ
1980 Audi 5k
1962 and '64 Auto Union DKW Junior deLuxes
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"~ Elektraman ~" <smarty@mn.rr.com> wrote in message
news:ZwDag.71781$Tf1.32767@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> My 200 has a hard start issue and I'm suspicious the injectors are
> leaking. (Cranks a long time and when it does start the exhaust smells and
> looks rich like it was flooded.) I'm curious if replacing JUST the seals
> will correct the problem or do I need to change the injectors too. The car
> has 132K on it so I thought it may be just the seals. Am I correct? Anyone
> had a similar experience?
>
> How difficult is this job? Do I need to take off the intake manifold? The
> Bentley manual suggests you can just pull out the injectors with the lines
> attached. How is this possible? From peering under the hood it looks like
> one would need to pull the intake manifold which does not look fun.
>
> Any help is much appreciated.
>
> Steve
>

 

Steve,

As usual you have been most helpful. Thanks for your all your help and
the links. Just what I needed!

Steve

 

Steve,

As usual you have been most helpful. Thanks for your all your help and
the links. Just what I needed!

Steve

 

Steve,

As usual you have been most helpful. Thanks for your all your help and
the links. Just what I needed!

Steve

 

I would expect an ignition problem. Maybe just the spark plugs or a weak
spark.

I have heard great things about a product called BG 44K and will try it in
my vehicles before changing any injection components.
--
later,
dave
(One out of many daves)

"~ Elektraman ~" <smarty@mn.rr.com> wrote in message
news:ZwDag.71781$Tf1.32767@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> My 200 has a hard start issue and I'm suspicious the injectors are
> leaking. (Cranks a long time and when it does start the exhaust smells and
> looks rich like it was flooded.) I'm curious if replacing JUST the seals
> will correct the problem or do I need to change the injectors too. The car
> has 132K on it so I thought it may be just the seals. Am I correct? Anyone
> had a similar experience?
>
> How difficult is this job? Do I need to take off the intake manifold? The
> Bentley manual suggests you can just pull out the injectors with the lines
> attached. How is this possible? From peering under the hood it looks like
> one would need to pull the intake manifold which does not look fun.
>
> Any help is much appreciated.
>
> Steve
>

 

I would expect an ignition problem. Maybe just the spark plugs or a weak
spark.

I have heard great things about a product called BG 44K and will try it in
my vehicles before changing any injection components.
--
later,
dave
(One out of many daves)

"~ Elektraman ~" <smarty@mn.rr.com> wrote in message
news:ZwDag.71781$Tf1.32767@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> My 200 has a hard start issue and I'm suspicious the injectors are
> leaking. (Cranks a long time and when it does start the exhaust smells and
> looks rich like it was flooded.) I'm curious if replacing JUST the seals
> will correct the problem or do I need to change the injectors too. The car
> has 132K on it so I thought it may be just the seals. Am I correct? Anyone
> had a similar experience?
>
> How difficult is this job? Do I need to take off the intake manifold? The
> Bentley manual suggests you can just pull out the injectors with the lines
> attached. How is this possible? From peering under the hood it looks like
> one would need to pull the intake manifold which does not look fun.
>
> Any help is much appreciated.
>
> Steve
>

 

I would expect an ignition problem. Maybe just the spark plugs or a weak
spark.

I have heard great things about a product called BG 44K and will try it in
my vehicles before changing any injection components.
--
later,
dave
(One out of many daves)

"~ Elektraman ~" <smarty@mn.rr.com> wrote in message
news:ZwDag.71781$Tf1.32767@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> My 200 has a hard start issue and I'm suspicious the injectors are
> leaking. (Cranks a long time and when it does start the exhaust smells and
> looks rich like it was flooded.) I'm curious if replacing JUST the seals
> will correct the problem or do I need to change the injectors too. The car
> has 132K on it so I thought it may be just the seals. Am I correct? Anyone
> had a similar experience?
>
> How difficult is this job? Do I need to take off the intake manifold? The
> Bentley manual suggests you can just pull out the injectors with the lines
> attached. How is this possible? From peering under the hood it looks like
> one would need to pull the intake manifold which does not look fun.
>
> Any help is much appreciated.
>
> Steve
>