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>> "Ian S" <iws51remove@***.net> wrote in message
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>> > "Dennis W" <dwyattgrNOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> > news:uutrd.26879$Rf1.3148@newssvr19.news.prodigy.c om...
>> > > Why have I never heard of cam seal leaks till my 2001(A4 Quattro)
>> > > 2.8
>> at
>> > > 60k? I've owned everthing from GM-Asian-European. What is the fix?
>> > > Big
>> > > dollars at the dealer? Otherwise, what a great car to drive. Only
> thing
>> > that
>> > > can beat a rear wheel drive benz. TIA.
>> >
>> > Actually, it's all part of Audi's well-engineered external lubrication
>> > system. I think they licensed it from the British.
>>
>> Keeps the rust at bay doncha know ?!
>>
> Well, there you go: lubrication AND rust preventative. What will those
> German engineers think of next?!
>
>

They may not be the most reliable, but is everything about reliability? They
look great, drive great and have the best interiors.

If Audi owners wanted reliability they would be Toyota owners.

 

"Ian S" <iws51remove@***.net> wrote in message
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> "Iain Miller" <donot@spam.me> wrote in message
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>> "Ian S" <iws51remove@***.net> wrote in message
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>> > "Dennis W" <dwyattgrNOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> > news:uutrd.26879$Rf1.3148@newssvr19.news.prodigy.c om...
>> > > Why have I never heard of cam seal leaks till my 2001(A4 Quattro)
>> > > 2.8
>> at
>> > > 60k? I've owned everthing from GM-Asian-European. What is the fix?
>> > > Big
>> > > dollars at the dealer? Otherwise, what a great car to drive. Only
> thing
>> > that
>> > > can beat a rear wheel drive benz. TIA.
>> >
>> > Actually, it's all part of Audi's well-engineered external lubrication
>> > system. I think they licensed it from the British.
>>
>> Keeps the rust at bay doncha know ?!
>>
> Well, there you go: lubrication AND rust preventative. What will those
> German engineers think of next?!
>
>

They may not be the most reliable, but is everything about reliability? They
look great, drive great and have the best interiors.

If Audi owners wanted reliability they would be Toyota owners.

 

"Ian S" <iws51remove@***.net> wrote in message
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> "Iain Miller" <donot@spam.me> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Ian S" <iws51remove@***.net> wrote in message
>> news:1Ztrd.383557$a85.295184@fed1read04...
>> > "Dennis W" <dwyattgrNOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> > news:uutrd.26879$Rf1.3148@newssvr19.news.prodigy.c om...
>> > > Why have I never heard of cam seal leaks till my 2001(A4 Quattro)
>> > > 2.8
>> at
>> > > 60k? I've owned everthing from GM-Asian-European. What is the fix?
>> > > Big
>> > > dollars at the dealer? Otherwise, what a great car to drive. Only
> thing
>> > that
>> > > can beat a rear wheel drive benz. TIA.
>> >
>> > Actually, it's all part of Audi's well-engineered external lubrication
>> > system. I think they licensed it from the British.
>>
>> Keeps the rust at bay doncha know ?!
>>
> Well, there you go: lubrication AND rust preventative. What will those
> German engineers think of next?!
>
>

They may not be the most reliable, but is everything about reliability? They
look great, drive great and have the best interiors.

If Audi owners wanted reliability they would be Toyota owners.

 

"Ronny" <Ron@Ron.com> wrote in message
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> > "Iain Miller" <donot@spam.me> wrote in message
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> >>
> >> "Ian S" <iws51remove@***.net> wrote in message
> >> news:1Ztrd.383557$a85.295184@fed1read04...
> >> > "Dennis W" <dwyattgrNOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> >> > news:uutrd.26879$Rf1.3148@newssvr19.news.prodigy.c om...
> >> > > Why have I never heard of cam seal leaks till my 2001(A4 Quattro)
> >> > > 2.8
> >> at
> >> > > 60k? I've owned everthing from GM-Asian-European. What is the fix?
> >> > > Big
> >> > > dollars at the dealer? Otherwise, what a great car to drive. Only
> > thing
> >> > that
> >> > > can beat a rear wheel drive benz. TIA.
> >> >
> >> > Actually, it's all part of Audi's well-engineered external
lubrication
> >> > system. I think they licensed it from the British.
> >>
> >> Keeps the rust at bay doncha know ?!
> >>
> > Well, there you go: lubrication AND rust preventative. What will those
> > German engineers think of next?!
> >
> >
>
> They may not be the most reliable, but is everything about reliability?
They
> look great, drive great and have the best interiors.
>
> If Audi owners wanted reliability they would be Toyota owners.
>
I don't see why reliability and the other attributes you list have to be
mutually exclusive. Especially when in some of the Audi/VW problems, poor
design is clearly the issue.

 

"Ronny" <Ron@Ron.com> wrote in message
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> "Ian S" <iws51remove@***.net> wrote in message
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> > "Iain Miller" <donot@spam.me> wrote in message
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> >>
> >> "Ian S" <iws51remove@***.net> wrote in message
> >> news:1Ztrd.383557$a85.295184@fed1read04...
> >> > "Dennis W" <dwyattgrNOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> >> > news:uutrd.26879$Rf1.3148@newssvr19.news.prodigy.c om...
> >> > > Why have I never heard of cam seal leaks till my 2001(A4 Quattro)
> >> > > 2.8
> >> at
> >> > > 60k? I've owned everthing from GM-Asian-European. What is the fix?
> >> > > Big
> >> > > dollars at the dealer? Otherwise, what a great car to drive. Only
> > thing
> >> > that
> >> > > can beat a rear wheel drive benz. TIA.
> >> >
> >> > Actually, it's all part of Audi's well-engineered external
lubrication
> >> > system. I think they licensed it from the British.
> >>
> >> Keeps the rust at bay doncha know ?!
> >>
> > Well, there you go: lubrication AND rust preventative. What will those
> > German engineers think of next?!
> >
> >
>
> They may not be the most reliable, but is everything about reliability?
They
> look great, drive great and have the best interiors.
>
> If Audi owners wanted reliability they would be Toyota owners.
>
I don't see why reliability and the other attributes you list have to be
mutually exclusive. Especially when in some of the Audi/VW problems, poor
design is clearly the issue.

 

"Ronny" <Ron@Ron.com> wrote in message
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> "Ian S" <iws51remove@***.net> wrote in message
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> > "Iain Miller" <donot@spam.me> wrote in message
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> >> "Ian S" <iws51remove@***.net> wrote in message
> >> news:1Ztrd.383557$a85.295184@fed1read04...
> >> > "Dennis W" <dwyattgrNOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> >> > news:uutrd.26879$Rf1.3148@newssvr19.news.prodigy.c om...
> >> > > Why have I never heard of cam seal leaks till my 2001(A4 Quattro)
> >> > > 2.8
> >> at
> >> > > 60k? I've owned everthing from GM-Asian-European. What is the fix?
> >> > > Big
> >> > > dollars at the dealer? Otherwise, what a great car to drive. Only
> > thing
> >> > that
> >> > > can beat a rear wheel drive benz. TIA.
> >> >
> >> > Actually, it's all part of Audi's well-engineered external
lubrication
> >> > system. I think they licensed it from the British.
> >>
> >> Keeps the rust at bay doncha know ?!
> >>
> > Well, there you go: lubrication AND rust preventative. What will those
> > German engineers think of next?!
> >
> >
>
> They may not be the most reliable, but is everything about reliability?
They
> look great, drive great and have the best interiors.
>
> If Audi owners wanted reliability they would be Toyota owners.
>
I don't see why reliability and the other attributes you list have to be
mutually exclusive. Especially when in some of the Audi/VW problems, poor
design is clearly the issue.

 

On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 08:42:44 -0700, "Ian S" <iws51remove@***.net> wrote:

> "Ronny" <Ron@Ron.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Ian S" <iws51remove@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:mgvrd.384609$a85.362894@fed1read04...
> > > "Iain Miller" <donot@spam.me> wrote in message
> > > news:Gturd.640$qJ.505@newsfe1-win.ntli.net...
> > >>
> > >> "Ian S" <iws51remove@***.net> wrote in message
> > >> news:1Ztrd.383557$a85.295184@fed1read04...
> > >> > "Dennis W" <dwyattgrNOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> > >> > news:uutrd.26879$Rf1.3148@newssvr19.news.prodigy.c om...
> > >> > > Why have I never heard of cam seal leaks till my 2001(A4 Quattro)
> > >> > > 2.8
> > >> at
> > >> > > 60k? I've owned everthing from GM-Asian-European. What is the fix?
> > >> > > Big
> > >> > > dollars at the dealer? Otherwise, what a great car to drive. Only
> > > thing
> > >> > that
> > >> > > can beat a rear wheel drive benz. TIA.
> > >> >
> > >> > Actually, it's all part of Audi's well-engineered external
> lubrication
> > >> > system. I think they licensed it from the British.
> > >>
> > >> Keeps the rust at bay doncha know ?!
> > >>
> > > Well, there you go: lubrication AND rust preventative. What will those
> > > German engineers think of next?!
> > >
> > >
> >
> > They may not be the most reliable, but is everything about reliability?
> They
> > look great, drive great and have the best interiors.
> >
> > If Audi owners wanted reliability they would be Toyota owners.
> >
> I don't see why reliability and the other attributes you list have to be
> mutually exclusive. Especially when in some of the Audi/VW problems, poor
> design is clearly the issue.
>
Absolutley! It is a total cop-out to to excuse poor reliability by extoling
"look & feel." Audis, especially the A4/A6 lines between 1997 and 2001 (and
maybe still) are very poor from a reliability/robustness standpoint.

There is absolutely no excuse for having front ends practically disintegrate
by 60,000 miles (100,000 km), or having valve cover and cam seal/adjuster
gaskets dribble oil all over the outside of the engine and hot exhaust
manifolds. These cars also have a much higher than average incidence of
electrical faults -- dashboard display LED segments failing; cruise controls
that become intermittant and then stop working; exterior mirrors whose
heating elements fail within the first three years, etc.

Yes, Audis do look nice, drive nice, and generally smell nice (excpet when
oil leaks out onto the exhaust! But if a car is not relaible, then its
long-term position in the marketplace will (and has) suffered.

Would I buy another Audi? Probably not. Would I buy another TRoyota
Avalon? Probably yes.

 

On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 08:42:44 -0700, "Ian S" <iws51remove@***.net> wrote:

> "Ronny" <Ron@Ron.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Ian S" <iws51remove@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:mgvrd.384609$a85.362894@fed1read04...
> > > "Iain Miller" <donot@spam.me> wrote in message
> > > news:Gturd.640$qJ.505@newsfe1-win.ntli.net...
> > >>
> > >> "Ian S" <iws51remove@***.net> wrote in message
> > >> news:1Ztrd.383557$a85.295184@fed1read04...
> > >> > "Dennis W" <dwyattgrNOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> > >> > news:uutrd.26879$Rf1.3148@newssvr19.news.prodigy.c om...
> > >> > > Why have I never heard of cam seal leaks till my 2001(A4 Quattro)
> > >> > > 2.8
> > >> at
> > >> > > 60k? I've owned everthing from GM-Asian-European. What is the fix?
> > >> > > Big
> > >> > > dollars at the dealer? Otherwise, what a great car to drive. Only
> > > thing
> > >> > that
> > >> > > can beat a rear wheel drive benz. TIA.
> > >> >
> > >> > Actually, it's all part of Audi's well-engineered external
> lubrication
> > >> > system. I think they licensed it from the British.
> > >>
> > >> Keeps the rust at bay doncha know ?!
> > >>
> > > Well, there you go: lubrication AND rust preventative. What will those
> > > German engineers think of next?!
> > >
> > >
> >
> > They may not be the most reliable, but is everything about reliability?
> They
> > look great, drive great and have the best interiors.
> >
> > If Audi owners wanted reliability they would be Toyota owners.
> >
> I don't see why reliability and the other attributes you list have to be
> mutually exclusive. Especially when in some of the Audi/VW problems, poor
> design is clearly the issue.
>
Absolutley! It is a total cop-out to to excuse poor reliability by extoling
"look & feel." Audis, especially the A4/A6 lines between 1997 and 2001 (and
maybe still) are very poor from a reliability/robustness standpoint.

There is absolutely no excuse for having front ends practically disintegrate
by 60,000 miles (100,000 km), or having valve cover and cam seal/adjuster
gaskets dribble oil all over the outside of the engine and hot exhaust
manifolds. These cars also have a much higher than average incidence of
electrical faults -- dashboard display LED segments failing; cruise controls
that become intermittant and then stop working; exterior mirrors whose
heating elements fail within the first three years, etc.

Yes, Audis do look nice, drive nice, and generally smell nice (excpet when
oil leaks out onto the exhaust! But if a car is not relaible, then its
long-term position in the marketplace will (and has) suffered.

Would I buy another Audi? Probably not. Would I buy another TRoyota
Avalon? Probably yes.

 

On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 08:42:44 -0700, "Ian S" <iws51remove@***.net> wrote:

> "Ronny" <Ron@Ron.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Ian S" <iws51remove@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:mgvrd.384609$a85.362894@fed1read04...
> > > "Iain Miller" <donot@spam.me> wrote in message
> > > news:Gturd.640$qJ.505@newsfe1-win.ntli.net...
> > >>
> > >> "Ian S" <iws51remove@***.net> wrote in message
> > >> news:1Ztrd.383557$a85.295184@fed1read04...
> > >> > "Dennis W" <dwyattgrNOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> > >> > news:uutrd.26879$Rf1.3148@newssvr19.news.prodigy.c om...
> > >> > > Why have I never heard of cam seal leaks till my 2001(A4 Quattro)
> > >> > > 2.8
> > >> at
> > >> > > 60k? I've owned everthing from GM-Asian-European. What is the fix?
> > >> > > Big
> > >> > > dollars at the dealer? Otherwise, what a great car to drive. Only
> > > thing
> > >> > that
> > >> > > can beat a rear wheel drive benz. TIA.
> > >> >
> > >> > Actually, it's all part of Audi's well-engineered external
> lubrication
> > >> > system. I think they licensed it from the British.
> > >>
> > >> Keeps the rust at bay doncha know ?!
> > >>
> > > Well, there you go: lubrication AND rust preventative. What will those
> > > German engineers think of next?!
> > >
> > >
> >
> > They may not be the most reliable, but is everything about reliability?
> They
> > look great, drive great and have the best interiors.
> >
> > If Audi owners wanted reliability they would be Toyota owners.
> >
> I don't see why reliability and the other attributes you list have to be
> mutually exclusive. Especially when in some of the Audi/VW problems, poor
> design is clearly the issue.
>
Absolutley! It is a total cop-out to to excuse poor reliability by extoling
"look & feel." Audis, especially the A4/A6 lines between 1997 and 2001 (and
maybe still) are very poor from a reliability/robustness standpoint.

There is absolutely no excuse for having front ends practically disintegrate
by 60,000 miles (100,000 km), or having valve cover and cam seal/adjuster
gaskets dribble oil all over the outside of the engine and hot exhaust
manifolds. These cars also have a much higher than average incidence of
electrical faults -- dashboard display LED segments failing; cruise controls
that become intermittant and then stop working; exterior mirrors whose
heating elements fail within the first three years, etc.

Yes, Audis do look nice, drive nice, and generally smell nice (excpet when
oil leaks out onto the exhaust! But if a car is not relaible, then its
long-term position in the marketplace will (and has) suffered.

Would I buy another Audi? Probably not. Would I buy another TRoyota
Avalon? Probably yes.

 

"Jay Somerset" <jay@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 08:42:44 -0700, "Ian S" <iws51remove@***.net> wrote:
>

> > I don't see why reliability and the other attributes you list have to be
> > mutually exclusive. Especially when in some of the Audi/VW problems,
poor
> > design is clearly the issue.
> >
> Absolutley! It is a total cop-out to to excuse poor reliability by
extoling
> "look & feel." Audis, especially the A4/A6 lines between 1997 and 2001
(and
> maybe still) are very poor from a reliability/robustness standpoint.
>
> There is absolutely no excuse for having front ends practically
disintegrate
> by 60,000 miles (100,000 km), or having valve cover and cam seal/adjuster
> gaskets dribble oil all over the outside of the engine and hot exhaust
> manifolds. These cars also have a much higher than average incidence of
> electrical faults -- dashboard display LED segments failing; cruise
controls
> that become intermittant and then stop working; exterior mirrors whose
> heating elements fail within the first three years, etc.

I had forgotten about the outside mirror heating elements! Mine expired long
ago - since I live in Phoenix, it's not a big loss although I'm always
reminded of it when I go to Flagstaff in the winter.
>
> Yes, Audis do look nice, drive nice, and generally smell nice (excpet when
> oil leaks out onto the exhaust!

It was always embarrassing when passengers would ask "what's that smell?"

But if a car is not relaible, then its
> long-term position in the marketplace will (and has) suffered.
>
> Would I buy another Audi? Probably not. Would I buy another TRoyota
> Avalon? Probably yes.

I'm considering a sports car next and the TT isn't even in the running.