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KLS 07-13-2005 05:07 PM

Re: Bad Drivers
 
On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 11:57:39 -0400, Dave LaCourse
<dplacourse@pirateaol.com> wrote:

>I didn't take the NJ turnpike. I used I84 and I81 to avoid NY, NJ,
>MD, and DC. You are correct about Mass drivers, but they aren't as
>bad as VA or CT, and we won't even mention NY. d;o)


If you mean NY drivers as in the NYC area, ok. But in western NY,
we're not so bad, really! Quite a few of us have the good sense to
own/drive Audi Quattros and Subarus.

Mike Smith 07-14-2005 06:32 PM

Re: Bad Drivers
 
KLS wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:54:39 -0400, Dave LaCourse
> <dplacourse@pirateaol.com> wrote:
>
>
>>On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:05:10 -0400, Mike Smith
>><mikeUNDERSCOREsmith@acm.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>that you must stay right when
>>>not passing. That sure would be nice, but it just ain't so.

>>
>>Most states that I am familiar with have a "keep right except to pass"
>>traffic law, and you will see the signs saying so. Some states even
>>give a diagram sign that points out the passing lane, travel lane, and
>>merge/slow lane.

>
>
> This is what I see where I drive, mostly in New York and Ohio.


I've lived in New York State since I was 5 years old, and I have never
seen such a diagram on a highway sign. Sure, at intersections, the
turning vs. through lanes are often painted on the road, but signs on
major highways enforcing rechtsfahren? Tell me where.

--
Mike Smith

Mike Smith 07-14-2005 06:32 PM

Re: Bad Drivers
 
KLS wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:54:39 -0400, Dave LaCourse
> <dplacourse@pirateaol.com> wrote:
>
>
>>On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:05:10 -0400, Mike Smith
>><mikeUNDERSCOREsmith@acm.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>that you must stay right when
>>>not passing. That sure would be nice, but it just ain't so.

>>
>>Most states that I am familiar with have a "keep right except to pass"
>>traffic law, and you will see the signs saying so. Some states even
>>give a diagram sign that points out the passing lane, travel lane, and
>>merge/slow lane.

>
>
> This is what I see where I drive, mostly in New York and Ohio.


I've lived in New York State since I was 5 years old, and I have never
seen such a diagram on a highway sign. Sure, at intersections, the
turning vs. through lanes are often painted on the road, but signs on
major highways enforcing rechtsfahren? Tell me where.

--
Mike Smith

Mike Smith 07-14-2005 06:32 PM

Re: Bad Drivers
 
KLS wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:54:39 -0400, Dave LaCourse
> <dplacourse@pirateaol.com> wrote:
>
>
>>On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:05:10 -0400, Mike Smith
>><mikeUNDERSCOREsmith@acm.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>that you must stay right when
>>>not passing. That sure would be nice, but it just ain't so.

>>
>>Most states that I am familiar with have a "keep right except to pass"
>>traffic law, and you will see the signs saying so. Some states even
>>give a diagram sign that points out the passing lane, travel lane, and
>>merge/slow lane.

>
>
> This is what I see where I drive, mostly in New York and Ohio.


I've lived in New York State since I was 5 years old, and I have never
seen such a diagram on a highway sign. Sure, at intersections, the
turning vs. through lanes are often painted on the road, but signs on
major highways enforcing rechtsfahren? Tell me where.

--
Mike Smith

Mike Smith 07-14-2005 06:32 PM

Re: Bad Drivers
 
KLS wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:54:39 -0400, Dave LaCourse
> <dplacourse@pirateaol.com> wrote:
>
>
>>On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:05:10 -0400, Mike Smith
>><mikeUNDERSCOREsmith@acm.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>that you must stay right when
>>>not passing. That sure would be nice, but it just ain't so.

>>
>>Most states that I am familiar with have a "keep right except to pass"
>>traffic law, and you will see the signs saying so. Some states even
>>give a diagram sign that points out the passing lane, travel lane, and
>>merge/slow lane.

>
>
> This is what I see where I drive, mostly in New York and Ohio.


I've lived in New York State since I was 5 years old, and I have never
seen such a diagram on a highway sign. Sure, at intersections, the
turning vs. through lanes are often painted on the road, but signs on
major highways enforcing rechtsfahren? Tell me where.

--
Mike Smith

Dave LaCourse 07-14-2005 08:59 PM

Re: Bad Drivers
 
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:32:38 -0400, Mike Smith
<mikeUNDERSCOREsmith@acm.org> wrote:

>Tell me where.


Mass, CT, and NY. NY has a sign saying "passing lane/travel lane/slow
lane". Common sense should be enough for a driver to know not to
drive below the speed limit in the fast lane. Common sense should be
enough for a driver to know that he has traffic stacked up behind him
while in the fast lane. But, then again, ain't too many US drivers
with common sense. Take a trip to Europe - you'll learn real quickly.



Dave LaCourse 07-14-2005 08:59 PM

Re: Bad Drivers
 
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:32:38 -0400, Mike Smith
<mikeUNDERSCOREsmith@acm.org> wrote:

>Tell me where.


Mass, CT, and NY. NY has a sign saying "passing lane/travel lane/slow
lane". Common sense should be enough for a driver to know not to
drive below the speed limit in the fast lane. Common sense should be
enough for a driver to know that he has traffic stacked up behind him
while in the fast lane. But, then again, ain't too many US drivers
with common sense. Take a trip to Europe - you'll learn real quickly.



Dave LaCourse 07-14-2005 08:59 PM

Re: Bad Drivers
 
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:32:38 -0400, Mike Smith
<mikeUNDERSCOREsmith@acm.org> wrote:

>Tell me where.


Mass, CT, and NY. NY has a sign saying "passing lane/travel lane/slow
lane". Common sense should be enough for a driver to know not to
drive below the speed limit in the fast lane. Common sense should be
enough for a driver to know that he has traffic stacked up behind him
while in the fast lane. But, then again, ain't too many US drivers
with common sense. Take a trip to Europe - you'll learn real quickly.



Dave LaCourse 07-14-2005 08:59 PM

Re: Bad Drivers
 
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:32:38 -0400, Mike Smith
<mikeUNDERSCOREsmith@acm.org> wrote:

>Tell me where.


Mass, CT, and NY. NY has a sign saying "passing lane/travel lane/slow
lane". Common sense should be enough for a driver to know not to
drive below the speed limit in the fast lane. Common sense should be
enough for a driver to know that he has traffic stacked up behind him
while in the fast lane. But, then again, ain't too many US drivers
with common sense. Take a trip to Europe - you'll learn real quickly.



Dave LaCourse 07-14-2005 09:09 PM

Re: Bad Drivers
 
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:32:38 -0400, Mike Smith
<mikeUNDERSCOREsmith@acm.org> wrote:

>Tell me where.


Forgot to ask: Do you agree the law says "keep right except to pass"?




Dave LaCourse 07-14-2005 09:09 PM

Re: Bad Drivers
 
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:32:38 -0400, Mike Smith
<mikeUNDERSCOREsmith@acm.org> wrote:

>Tell me where.


Forgot to ask: Do you agree the law says "keep right except to pass"?




Dave LaCourse 07-14-2005 09:09 PM

Re: Bad Drivers
 
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:32:38 -0400, Mike Smith
<mikeUNDERSCOREsmith@acm.org> wrote:

>Tell me where.


Forgot to ask: Do you agree the law says "keep right except to pass"?




Dave LaCourse 07-14-2005 09:09 PM

Re: Bad Drivers
 
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:32:38 -0400, Mike Smith
<mikeUNDERSCOREsmith@acm.org> wrote:

>Tell me where.


Forgot to ask: Do you agree the law says "keep right except to pass"?




Guy King 07-15-2005 02:18 AM

Re: Bad Drivers
 
The message <4r5ed1ha4j0uumtpsf0t7bi0l3qde8mpcp@4ax.com>
from Dave LaCourse <dplacourse@pirateaol.com> contains these words:

> Take a trip to Europe - you'll learn real quickly.


Particularly in the UK. Driving on the wrong side of the road's a very
short steep learning curve, and falling off it hurts.

--
Skipweasel.
Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood."



Guy King 07-15-2005 02:18 AM

Re: Bad Drivers
 
The message <4r5ed1ha4j0uumtpsf0t7bi0l3qde8mpcp@4ax.com>
from Dave LaCourse <dplacourse@pirateaol.com> contains these words:

> Take a trip to Europe - you'll learn real quickly.


Particularly in the UK. Driving on the wrong side of the road's a very
short steep learning curve, and falling off it hurts.

--
Skipweasel.
Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood."



Guy King 07-15-2005 02:18 AM

Re: Bad Drivers
 
The message <4r5ed1ha4j0uumtpsf0t7bi0l3qde8mpcp@4ax.com>
from Dave LaCourse <dplacourse@pirateaol.com> contains these words:

> Take a trip to Europe - you'll learn real quickly.


Particularly in the UK. Driving on the wrong side of the road's a very
short steep learning curve, and falling off it hurts.

--
Skipweasel.
Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood."



Dave 07-15-2005 03:59 AM

Re: Bad Drivers
 
>> Take a trip to Europe - you'll learn real quickly.
>
> Particularly in the UK. Driving on the wrong side of the road's a very
> short steep learning curve, and falling off it hurts.


LOL



Dave 07-15-2005 03:59 AM

Re: Bad Drivers
 
>> Take a trip to Europe - you'll learn real quickly.
>
> Particularly in the UK. Driving on the wrong side of the road's a very
> short steep learning curve, and falling off it hurts.


LOL



Dave 07-15-2005 03:59 AM

Re: Bad Drivers
 
>> Take a trip to Europe - you'll learn real quickly.
>
> Particularly in the UK. Driving on the wrong side of the road's a very
> short steep learning curve, and falling off it hurts.


LOL



KLS 07-15-2005 06:42 AM

Re: Bad Drivers
 
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 21:59:15 -0400, Dave LaCourse
<dplacourse@pirateaol.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:32:38 -0400, Mike Smith
><mikeUNDERSCOREsmith@acm.org> wrote:
>
>>Tell me where.

>
>Mass, CT, and NY. NY has a sign saying "passing lane/travel lane/slow
>lane". Common sense should be enough for a driver to know not to
>drive below the speed limit in the fast lane. Common sense should be
>enough for a driver to know that he has traffic stacked up behind him
>while in the fast lane. But, then again, ain't too many US drivers
>with common sense. Take a trip to Europe - you'll learn real quickly.


What Dave said, about both the sign and the European driving
experience.


KLS 07-15-2005 06:42 AM

Re: Bad Drivers
 
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 21:59:15 -0400, Dave LaCourse
<dplacourse@pirateaol.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:32:38 -0400, Mike Smith
><mikeUNDERSCOREsmith@acm.org> wrote:
>
>>Tell me where.

>
>Mass, CT, and NY. NY has a sign saying "passing lane/travel lane/slow
>lane". Common sense should be enough for a driver to know not to
>drive below the speed limit in the fast lane. Common sense should be
>enough for a driver to know that he has traffic stacked up behind him
>while in the fast lane. But, then again, ain't too many US drivers
>with common sense. Take a trip to Europe - you'll learn real quickly.


What Dave said, about both the sign and the European driving
experience.


KLS 07-15-2005 06:42 AM

Re: Bad Drivers
 
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 21:59:15 -0400, Dave LaCourse
<dplacourse@pirateaol.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:32:38 -0400, Mike Smith
><mikeUNDERSCOREsmith@acm.org> wrote:
>
>>Tell me where.

>
>Mass, CT, and NY. NY has a sign saying "passing lane/travel lane/slow
>lane". Common sense should be enough for a driver to know not to
>drive below the speed limit in the fast lane. Common sense should be
>enough for a driver to know that he has traffic stacked up behind him
>while in the fast lane. But, then again, ain't too many US drivers
>with common sense. Take a trip to Europe - you'll learn real quickly.


What Dave said, about both the sign and the European driving
experience.


Art M 07-15-2005 10:15 AM

Re: Bad Drivers
 

"Dave LaCourse" <dplacourse@pirateaol.com> wrote in message
news:sl6ed1lh2vcf4u7j1soh4so3181ati6nsg@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:32:38 -0400, Mike Smith
> <mikeUNDERSCOREsmith@acm.org> wrote:
>
>>Tell me where.

>
> Forgot to ask: Do you agree the law says "keep right except to pass"?


I think it's more of a suggestion than something that could get you a
ticket. The wording may be different. I seem to remember the NJ turnpike
signs read "slower traffic keep right". Additionally trucks are not allowed
in the left lane there (though at some points they have their own lanes).

The thing that I notice about the "fast" lane is that many seem to think
their amount of speeding is all right, but anything faster is just crazy so
they're not moving over.

--Art



Art M 07-15-2005 10:15 AM

Re: Bad Drivers
 

"Dave LaCourse" <dplacourse@pirateaol.com> wrote in message
news:sl6ed1lh2vcf4u7j1soh4so3181ati6nsg@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:32:38 -0400, Mike Smith
> <mikeUNDERSCOREsmith@acm.org> wrote:
>
>>Tell me where.

>
> Forgot to ask: Do you agree the law says "keep right except to pass"?


I think it's more of a suggestion than something that could get you a
ticket. The wording may be different. I seem to remember the NJ turnpike
signs read "slower traffic keep right". Additionally trucks are not allowed
in the left lane there (though at some points they have their own lanes).

The thing that I notice about the "fast" lane is that many seem to think
their amount of speeding is all right, but anything faster is just crazy so
they're not moving over.

--Art



Art M 07-15-2005 10:15 AM

Re: Bad Drivers
 

"Dave LaCourse" <dplacourse@pirateaol.com> wrote in message
news:sl6ed1lh2vcf4u7j1soh4so3181ati6nsg@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:32:38 -0400, Mike Smith
> <mikeUNDERSCOREsmith@acm.org> wrote:
>
>>Tell me where.

>
> Forgot to ask: Do you agree the law says "keep right except to pass"?


I think it's more of a suggestion than something that could get you a
ticket. The wording may be different. I seem to remember the NJ turnpike
signs read "slower traffic keep right". Additionally trucks are not allowed
in the left lane there (though at some points they have their own lanes).

The thing that I notice about the "fast" lane is that many seem to think
their amount of speeding is all right, but anything faster is just crazy so
they're not moving over.

--Art



gcmschemist@gmail.com 07-15-2005 10:53 AM

Re: Bad Drivers
 


Art M wrote:
> "Dave LaCourse" <dplacourse@pirateaol.com> wrote in message
> news:sl6ed1lh2vcf4u7j1soh4so3181ati6nsg@4ax.com...
> > On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:32:38 -0400, Mike Smith
> > <mikeUNDERSCOREsmith@acm.org> wrote:
> >
> >>Tell me where.

> >
> > Forgot to ask: Do you agree the law says "keep right except to pass"?

>
> I think it's more of a suggestion than something that could get you a
> ticket.


In most states, "keep right except to pass" is codified into law. When
it's posted on rectangular black&white signs (like speed limit signs),
it's not advisory. (Like diamond black and yellow signs.)

Enforcement is just about non-existant, however.

E.P.


gcmschemist@gmail.com 07-15-2005 10:53 AM

Re: Bad Drivers
 


Art M wrote:
> "Dave LaCourse" <dplacourse@pirateaol.com> wrote in message
> news:sl6ed1lh2vcf4u7j1soh4so3181ati6nsg@4ax.com...
> > On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:32:38 -0400, Mike Smith
> > <mikeUNDERSCOREsmith@acm.org> wrote:
> >
> >>Tell me where.

> >
> > Forgot to ask: Do you agree the law says "keep right except to pass"?

>
> I think it's more of a suggestion than something that could get you a
> ticket.


In most states, "keep right except to pass" is codified into law. When
it's posted on rectangular black&white signs (like speed limit signs),
it's not advisory. (Like diamond black and yellow signs.)

Enforcement is just about non-existant, however.

E.P.


gcmschemist@gmail.com 07-15-2005 10:53 AM

Re: Bad Drivers
 


Art M wrote:
> "Dave LaCourse" <dplacourse@pirateaol.com> wrote in message
> news:sl6ed1lh2vcf4u7j1soh4so3181ati6nsg@4ax.com...
> > On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:32:38 -0400, Mike Smith
> > <mikeUNDERSCOREsmith@acm.org> wrote:
> >
> >>Tell me where.

> >
> > Forgot to ask: Do you agree the law says "keep right except to pass"?

>
> I think it's more of a suggestion than something that could get you a
> ticket.


In most states, "keep right except to pass" is codified into law. When
it's posted on rectangular black&white signs (like speed limit signs),
it's not advisory. (Like diamond black and yellow signs.)

Enforcement is just about non-existant, however.

E.P.


Dave LaCourse 07-15-2005 11:07 AM

Re: Bad Drivers
 
On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 11:15:11 -0400, "Art M"
<Xarthurruhtra@netscape.netX> wrote:

>The thing that I notice about the "fast" lane is that many seem to think
>their amount of speeding is all right, but anything faster is just crazy so
>they're not moving over.


In other words they are saying, "I will select your speed limit."
Never escalate. Never impede. If I am traveling in the fast lane, it
is because I am passing someone, or I am in a line of traffic. When I
pass someone, I pull into the right (or center) lane, especially if
there is someone behind me. He wants to go faster -- who am I to deny
him? Left lane bandits are more dangerous than speeders - not as
dangerous as tailgaters, but right up there with causes for accidents.

Dave

BTW, the signs I saw were in CT. Mass has "keep right except to pass"
as many (all) states have.







Dave LaCourse 07-15-2005 11:07 AM

Re: Bad Drivers
 
On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 11:15:11 -0400, "Art M"
<Xarthurruhtra@netscape.netX> wrote:

>The thing that I notice about the "fast" lane is that many seem to think
>their amount of speeding is all right, but anything faster is just crazy so
>they're not moving over.


In other words they are saying, "I will select your speed limit."
Never escalate. Never impede. If I am traveling in the fast lane, it
is because I am passing someone, or I am in a line of traffic. When I
pass someone, I pull into the right (or center) lane, especially if
there is someone behind me. He wants to go faster -- who am I to deny
him? Left lane bandits are more dangerous than speeders - not as
dangerous as tailgaters, but right up there with causes for accidents.

Dave

BTW, the signs I saw were in CT. Mass has "keep right except to pass"
as many (all) states have.







Dave LaCourse 07-15-2005 11:07 AM

Re: Bad Drivers
 
On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 11:15:11 -0400, "Art M"
<Xarthurruhtra@netscape.netX> wrote:

>The thing that I notice about the "fast" lane is that many seem to think
>their amount of speeding is all right, but anything faster is just crazy so
>they're not moving over.


In other words they are saying, "I will select your speed limit."
Never escalate. Never impede. If I am traveling in the fast lane, it
is because I am passing someone, or I am in a line of traffic. When I
pass someone, I pull into the right (or center) lane, especially if
there is someone behind me. He wants to go faster -- who am I to deny
him? Left lane bandits are more dangerous than speeders - not as
dangerous as tailgaters, but right up there with causes for accidents.

Dave

BTW, the signs I saw were in CT. Mass has "keep right except to pass"
as many (all) states have.







Kyle Tucker 07-15-2005 11:49 AM

Re: Bad Drivers
 
In article <2gnfd1lul2fk5k3sp31fds8i9mnq4i1ue9@4ax.com>,
Dave LaCourse <dplacourse@pirateaol.com> writes:
>
> In other words they are saying, "I will select your speed limit."
> Never escalate. Never impede. If I am traveling in the fast lane, it
> is because I am passing someone, or I am in a line of traffic. When I
> pass someone, I pull into the right (or center) lane, especially if
> there is someone behind me. He wants to go faster -- who am I to deny
> him? Left lane bandits are more dangerous than speeders - not as
> dangerous as tailgaters, but right up there with causes for accidents.


I drive south on Rt. 95 from NH to MA every morning. The 3rd lane
of 4 is filled with clueless dopes going 55-60, sometimes even less,
who aren't passing anyone, they're just forcing others to clog up
the 4th lane. 90% of these people are from Maine, where their own
Maine Turnpike has signs to keep right. I use headlights, horn
and/or quick French-style lane returns after passing in an effort
to get them to see they're in the wrong lane. 1 in an 50 will move
over.

It's our own home-grown problem and here's an example. A couple
months ago, I pick up my son from driver's ed class. Next to me
is a guy apparently picking up his son. The son hops in the SUV,
neither one is buckled up. The dog is on the the driver's lap.
Leaving, no turn signals are used and he just whips through a
stop sign. Good example Dad! And I see cops breaking common rules
almost daily. How the hell is the average Joe supposed to drive
well?

I've driven in Germany, France, Austria and Switzerland and
all over the US. We just suck when it comes to driving. I think
a lot of it is the "it's a free country, I'll do what I want"
attitude. The rest is just ignorance of what's going on around
them. Very lame.

Glad I didn't get started about cell phones.... :)

--
- Kyle

Kyle Tucker 07-15-2005 11:49 AM

Re: Bad Drivers
 
In article <2gnfd1lul2fk5k3sp31fds8i9mnq4i1ue9@4ax.com>,
Dave LaCourse <dplacourse@pirateaol.com> writes:
>
> In other words they are saying, "I will select your speed limit."
> Never escalate. Never impede. If I am traveling in the fast lane, it
> is because I am passing someone, or I am in a line of traffic. When I
> pass someone, I pull into the right (or center) lane, especially if
> there is someone behind me. He wants to go faster -- who am I to deny
> him? Left lane bandits are more dangerous than speeders - not as
> dangerous as tailgaters, but right up there with causes for accidents.


I drive south on Rt. 95 from NH to MA every morning. The 3rd lane
of 4 is filled with clueless dopes going 55-60, sometimes even less,
who aren't passing anyone, they're just forcing others to clog up
the 4th lane. 90% of these people are from Maine, where their own
Maine Turnpike has signs to keep right. I use headlights, horn
and/or quick French-style lane returns after passing in an effort
to get them to see they're in the wrong lane. 1 in an 50 will move
over.

It's our own home-grown problem and here's an example. A couple
months ago, I pick up my son from driver's ed class. Next to me
is a guy apparently picking up his son. The son hops in the SUV,
neither one is buckled up. The dog is on the the driver's lap.
Leaving, no turn signals are used and he just whips through a
stop sign. Good example Dad! And I see cops breaking common rules
almost daily. How the hell is the average Joe supposed to drive
well?

I've driven in Germany, France, Austria and Switzerland and
all over the US. We just suck when it comes to driving. I think
a lot of it is the "it's a free country, I'll do what I want"
attitude. The rest is just ignorance of what's going on around
them. Very lame.

Glad I didn't get started about cell phones.... :)

--
- Kyle

Kyle Tucker 07-15-2005 11:49 AM

Re: Bad Drivers
 
In article <2gnfd1lul2fk5k3sp31fds8i9mnq4i1ue9@4ax.com>,
Dave LaCourse <dplacourse@pirateaol.com> writes:
>
> In other words they are saying, "I will select your speed limit."
> Never escalate. Never impede. If I am traveling in the fast lane, it
> is because I am passing someone, or I am in a line of traffic. When I
> pass someone, I pull into the right (or center) lane, especially if
> there is someone behind me. He wants to go faster -- who am I to deny
> him? Left lane bandits are more dangerous than speeders - not as
> dangerous as tailgaters, but right up there with causes for accidents.


I drive south on Rt. 95 from NH to MA every morning. The 3rd lane
of 4 is filled with clueless dopes going 55-60, sometimes even less,
who aren't passing anyone, they're just forcing others to clog up
the 4th lane. 90% of these people are from Maine, where their own
Maine Turnpike has signs to keep right. I use headlights, horn
and/or quick French-style lane returns after passing in an effort
to get them to see they're in the wrong lane. 1 in an 50 will move
over.

It's our own home-grown problem and here's an example. A couple
months ago, I pick up my son from driver's ed class. Next to me
is a guy apparently picking up his son. The son hops in the SUV,
neither one is buckled up. The dog is on the the driver's lap.
Leaving, no turn signals are used and he just whips through a
stop sign. Good example Dad! And I see cops breaking common rules
almost daily. How the hell is the average Joe supposed to drive
well?

I've driven in Germany, France, Austria and Switzerland and
all over the US. We just suck when it comes to driving. I think
a lot of it is the "it's a free country, I'll do what I want"
attitude. The rest is just ignorance of what's going on around
them. Very lame.

Glad I didn't get started about cell phones.... :)

--
- Kyle

Jay Jones 07-15-2005 12:18 PM

Re: Bad Drivers
 
Left lane cruising is epidemic here in Louisiana-- it should be a capital
offense, IMHO...
I often dream of the traffic laws here changing to favor the German standard
where rear-ended collisions in the left lane of the expressway are the
person in front's fault for not getting out of the damn way!


"Dave LaCourse" <dplacourse@pirateaol.com> wrote in message
news:auu5d191g79h62gron8et9garkhcqgomaq@4ax.com...
> While I am home safely from a 724 mile trip to a wedding south of
> Roanoke, Virginia, I remained amazed at the terrible driving habits of
> people from Virginia and Connecticut.
>
> We drove the RS6 down on Thursday with Biblical rain storms all the
> way. Cow pissin' on a flat rock? Try the entire herd! Traffic was
> light, so things went fairly well. But, coming home on
> Sunday.........
>
> It was impossible to move most Virginia drivers from the fast lane. A
> hand-held nuclear device would not have helped. One woman in a Saturn
> insisted on staying in the fast lane while driving 62 mph. She had
> traffic backed up for 200 yards in both lanes. I finally managed to
> pass her (after about ten other cars/semis did) on the right side.
> I'm sure she felt that she was not breaking any laws, but by not
> staying to the right, she was.
>
> She wasn't the only one. It was like a swarm of left lane bandits
> came out of the Virginia hills and took up station in the left lane
> driving below the speed limit. When a trailer truck passes you going
> up hill, you have *got* to see the error of your ways. But no, not
> those Virginia drivers. Lane discipline means nothing to them. And
> where the hell are the cops? These drivers are holding up traffic.
> The worst place you want to be while driving is in a large pod of
> moving cars/trucks. Get the hell out of the way and let the traffic
> find its rhythm. The left lane hogs are far more dangerous by holding
> up traffic than someone speeding 10 or 15 mpy over the speed limit.
>
> And Connecticut! Same thing, only bigger yuppie style cars, and you
> have to contend with left lane exits. Who is the brilliant traffic
> engineer to dreamed that one up?
>
> Anyway, rant mode off. Flame suit on.
>
> Dave
> RS6
>
>
>




Jay Jones 07-15-2005 12:18 PM

Re: Bad Drivers
 
Left lane cruising is epidemic here in Louisiana-- it should be a capital
offense, IMHO...
I often dream of the traffic laws here changing to favor the German standard
where rear-ended collisions in the left lane of the expressway are the
person in front's fault for not getting out of the damn way!


"Dave LaCourse" <dplacourse@pirateaol.com> wrote in message
news:auu5d191g79h62gron8et9garkhcqgomaq@4ax.com...
> While I am home safely from a 724 mile trip to a wedding south of
> Roanoke, Virginia, I remained amazed at the terrible driving habits of
> people from Virginia and Connecticut.
>
> We drove the RS6 down on Thursday with Biblical rain storms all the
> way. Cow pissin' on a flat rock? Try the entire herd! Traffic was
> light, so things went fairly well. But, coming home on
> Sunday.........
>
> It was impossible to move most Virginia drivers from the fast lane. A
> hand-held nuclear device would not have helped. One woman in a Saturn
> insisted on staying in the fast lane while driving 62 mph. She had
> traffic backed up for 200 yards in both lanes. I finally managed to
> pass her (after about ten other cars/semis did) on the right side.
> I'm sure she felt that she was not breaking any laws, but by not
> staying to the right, she was.
>
> She wasn't the only one. It was like a swarm of left lane bandits
> came out of the Virginia hills and took up station in the left lane
> driving below the speed limit. When a trailer truck passes you going
> up hill, you have *got* to see the error of your ways. But no, not
> those Virginia drivers. Lane discipline means nothing to them. And
> where the hell are the cops? These drivers are holding up traffic.
> The worst place you want to be while driving is in a large pod of
> moving cars/trucks. Get the hell out of the way and let the traffic
> find its rhythm. The left lane hogs are far more dangerous by holding
> up traffic than someone speeding 10 or 15 mpy over the speed limit.
>
> And Connecticut! Same thing, only bigger yuppie style cars, and you
> have to contend with left lane exits. Who is the brilliant traffic
> engineer to dreamed that one up?
>
> Anyway, rant mode off. Flame suit on.
>
> Dave
> RS6
>
>
>




Jay Jones 07-15-2005 12:18 PM

Re: Bad Drivers
 
Left lane cruising is epidemic here in Louisiana-- it should be a capital
offense, IMHO...
I often dream of the traffic laws here changing to favor the German standard
where rear-ended collisions in the left lane of the expressway are the
person in front's fault for not getting out of the damn way!


"Dave LaCourse" <dplacourse@pirateaol.com> wrote in message
news:auu5d191g79h62gron8et9garkhcqgomaq@4ax.com...
> While I am home safely from a 724 mile trip to a wedding south of
> Roanoke, Virginia, I remained amazed at the terrible driving habits of
> people from Virginia and Connecticut.
>
> We drove the RS6 down on Thursday with Biblical rain storms all the
> way. Cow pissin' on a flat rock? Try the entire herd! Traffic was
> light, so things went fairly well. But, coming home on
> Sunday.........
>
> It was impossible to move most Virginia drivers from the fast lane. A
> hand-held nuclear device would not have helped. One woman in a Saturn
> insisted on staying in the fast lane while driving 62 mph. She had
> traffic backed up for 200 yards in both lanes. I finally managed to
> pass her (after about ten other cars/semis did) on the right side.
> I'm sure she felt that she was not breaking any laws, but by not
> staying to the right, she was.
>
> She wasn't the only one. It was like a swarm of left lane bandits
> came out of the Virginia hills and took up station in the left lane
> driving below the speed limit. When a trailer truck passes you going
> up hill, you have *got* to see the error of your ways. But no, not
> those Virginia drivers. Lane discipline means nothing to them. And
> where the hell are the cops? These drivers are holding up traffic.
> The worst place you want to be while driving is in a large pod of
> moving cars/trucks. Get the hell out of the way and let the traffic
> find its rhythm. The left lane hogs are far more dangerous by holding
> up traffic than someone speeding 10 or 15 mpy over the speed limit.
>
> And Connecticut! Same thing, only bigger yuppie style cars, and you
> have to contend with left lane exits. Who is the brilliant traffic
> engineer to dreamed that one up?
>
> Anyway, rant mode off. Flame suit on.
>
> Dave
> RS6
>
>
>




Guy King 07-15-2005 12:31 PM

Re: Bad Drivers
 
The message <db8pf3$hkq$1@reader2.panix.com>
from kylet@horsehill.net (Kyle Tucker) contains these words:

> And I see cops breaking common rules
> almost daily. How the hell is the average Joe supposed to drive
> well?


We get that here, too. A local copper was nicked recently for doing
nearly 60mph in a 30mph zone and 159mph in a 70mph zone. Worse, he got
off.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...9/nspeed19.xml

--
Skipweasel.
Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood."

Guy King 07-15-2005 12:31 PM

Re: Bad Drivers
 
The message <db8pf3$hkq$1@reader2.panix.com>
from kylet@horsehill.net (Kyle Tucker) contains these words:

> And I see cops breaking common rules
> almost daily. How the hell is the average Joe supposed to drive
> well?


We get that here, too. A local copper was nicked recently for doing
nearly 60mph in a 30mph zone and 159mph in a 70mph zone. Worse, he got
off.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...9/nspeed19.xml

--
Skipweasel.
Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood."

Guy King 07-15-2005 12:31 PM

Re: Bad Drivers
 
The message <db8pf3$hkq$1@reader2.panix.com>
from kylet@horsehill.net (Kyle Tucker) contains these words:

> And I see cops breaking common rules
> almost daily. How the hell is the average Joe supposed to drive
> well?


We get that here, too. A local copper was nicked recently for doing
nearly 60mph in a 30mph zone and 159mph in a 70mph zone. Worse, he got
off.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...9/nspeed19.xml

--
Skipweasel.
Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood."


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