2.8 A4 Transmission Fluid Drained by Mistake
03-10-2007 | 12:42 PM
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Re: 2.8 A4 Transmission Fluid Drained by Mistake
On Mar 9, 2:51 pm, PeterD <pet...@hipson.net> wrote:
> On 9 Mar 2007 10:01:48 -0800, "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschem...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Mar 9, 9:42 am, Demon Slayer <demonslayerNoSPAM_33...@yahoo.com>
> >wrote:
> >> The transmission fluid was inadvertently drained instead of the oil
> >> during an oil change. The car, which has only 37000 miles, was taken by
> >> flat bed truck to a VW dealer to have the fluid replaced per
> >> manufacturers specs. When picked-up the transmission was shifting a bit
> >> rough and within a week started banging into 1st gear and occasionally
> >> slipping into neutral at stops. I think the tech let too much fluid
> >> escape when replacing the transmission plug and the level is too low.
>
> >> The dealer blames an "obstruction" that has magically appeared and wants
> >> to change the filter screen and gasket (for only $690)! Also stated that
> >> the fluid was black (instead of red) to further push the obstruction issue.
>
> >> I believe they're trying to rip me off! Comments?
>
> >1.) Never take your car to a quicky-lube place.
> >2.) Never take your car to be repair by a dealer unless it's for
> >warranty/recall work.
> >3.) Automatic transmissions are evil.
>
> >Now, seriously - take the car to an independent. Have it towed if
> >necessary. Never darken the doors of that dealer again.
>
> >E.P.
>
> Regardless of (one's dislike for) dealers, the person who drained the
> transmission should be paying for the repair, not the OP! Put the
> screws to the responsible party and let them pay all.
I didn't say anything about who should pay. Or who was responsible
for the failure.
I said to get it away from the dealer.
> BTW, if the fluid is black, then it is burned, and that indicates that
> the transmission is slipping big time. I hate to say it, but I suspect
> you are looking at a rebuild on it.
I doubt that'll be good enough. Unless you replace the whole guts.
> As to 'obstruction'... HUH? Not even remotely possible. Now, if the
> fluid was grossly low you can do this type of damage, so your thought
> that the dealer didn't properly refill it could be a factor in the
> current problems.
Right - yet another reason to get it away from the dealer. If the
dealer can't figure out something this simple, then having them open
it up and replace stuff to the tune of $700 seems kinda stupid.
Here's what's going to happen: the dealer will blame the quicky
lube. The quicky lube will blame the dealer. Not enough evidence for
any kind of case, even in small-claims court to get either one of
them.
The OP owns this one, and is gonna eat $4k in tranny repairs.
Anyone want to take bets?
E.P.
> On 9 Mar 2007 10:01:48 -0800, "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschem...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Mar 9, 9:42 am, Demon Slayer <demonslayerNoSPAM_33...@yahoo.com>
> >wrote:
> >> The transmission fluid was inadvertently drained instead of the oil
> >> during an oil change. The car, which has only 37000 miles, was taken by
> >> flat bed truck to a VW dealer to have the fluid replaced per
> >> manufacturers specs. When picked-up the transmission was shifting a bit
> >> rough and within a week started banging into 1st gear and occasionally
> >> slipping into neutral at stops. I think the tech let too much fluid
> >> escape when replacing the transmission plug and the level is too low.
>
> >> The dealer blames an "obstruction" that has magically appeared and wants
> >> to change the filter screen and gasket (for only $690)! Also stated that
> >> the fluid was black (instead of red) to further push the obstruction issue.
>
> >> I believe they're trying to rip me off! Comments?
>
> >1.) Never take your car to a quicky-lube place.
> >2.) Never take your car to be repair by a dealer unless it's for
> >warranty/recall work.
> >3.) Automatic transmissions are evil.
>
> >Now, seriously - take the car to an independent. Have it towed if
> >necessary. Never darken the doors of that dealer again.
>
> >E.P.
>
> Regardless of (one's dislike for) dealers, the person who drained the
> transmission should be paying for the repair, not the OP! Put the
> screws to the responsible party and let them pay all.
I didn't say anything about who should pay. Or who was responsible
for the failure.
I said to get it away from the dealer.
> BTW, if the fluid is black, then it is burned, and that indicates that
> the transmission is slipping big time. I hate to say it, but I suspect
> you are looking at a rebuild on it.
I doubt that'll be good enough. Unless you replace the whole guts.
> As to 'obstruction'... HUH? Not even remotely possible. Now, if the
> fluid was grossly low you can do this type of damage, so your thought
> that the dealer didn't properly refill it could be a factor in the
> current problems.
Right - yet another reason to get it away from the dealer. If the
dealer can't figure out something this simple, then having them open
it up and replace stuff to the tune of $700 seems kinda stupid.
Here's what's going to happen: the dealer will blame the quicky
lube. The quicky lube will blame the dealer. Not enough evidence for
any kind of case, even in small-claims court to get either one of
them.
The OP owns this one, and is gonna eat $4k in tranny repairs.
Anyone want to take bets?
E.P.
03-10-2007 | 12:42 PM
#32
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Re: 2.8 A4 Transmission Fluid Drained by Mistake
On Mar 9, 2:51 pm, PeterD <pet...@hipson.net> wrote:
> On 9 Mar 2007 10:01:48 -0800, "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschem...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Mar 9, 9:42 am, Demon Slayer <demonslayerNoSPAM_33...@yahoo.com>
> >wrote:
> >> The transmission fluid was inadvertently drained instead of the oil
> >> during an oil change. The car, which has only 37000 miles, was taken by
> >> flat bed truck to a VW dealer to have the fluid replaced per
> >> manufacturers specs. When picked-up the transmission was shifting a bit
> >> rough and within a week started banging into 1st gear and occasionally
> >> slipping into neutral at stops. I think the tech let too much fluid
> >> escape when replacing the transmission plug and the level is too low.
>
> >> The dealer blames an "obstruction" that has magically appeared and wants
> >> to change the filter screen and gasket (for only $690)! Also stated that
> >> the fluid was black (instead of red) to further push the obstruction issue.
>
> >> I believe they're trying to rip me off! Comments?
>
> >1.) Never take your car to a quicky-lube place.
> >2.) Never take your car to be repair by a dealer unless it's for
> >warranty/recall work.
> >3.) Automatic transmissions are evil.
>
> >Now, seriously - take the car to an independent. Have it towed if
> >necessary. Never darken the doors of that dealer again.
>
> >E.P.
>
> Regardless of (one's dislike for) dealers, the person who drained the
> transmission should be paying for the repair, not the OP! Put the
> screws to the responsible party and let them pay all.
I didn't say anything about who should pay. Or who was responsible
for the failure.
I said to get it away from the dealer.
> BTW, if the fluid is black, then it is burned, and that indicates that
> the transmission is slipping big time. I hate to say it, but I suspect
> you are looking at a rebuild on it.
I doubt that'll be good enough. Unless you replace the whole guts.
> As to 'obstruction'... HUH? Not even remotely possible. Now, if the
> fluid was grossly low you can do this type of damage, so your thought
> that the dealer didn't properly refill it could be a factor in the
> current problems.
Right - yet another reason to get it away from the dealer. If the
dealer can't figure out something this simple, then having them open
it up and replace stuff to the tune of $700 seems kinda stupid.
Here's what's going to happen: the dealer will blame the quicky
lube. The quicky lube will blame the dealer. Not enough evidence for
any kind of case, even in small-claims court to get either one of
them.
The OP owns this one, and is gonna eat $4k in tranny repairs.
Anyone want to take bets?
E.P.
> On 9 Mar 2007 10:01:48 -0800, "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschem...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Mar 9, 9:42 am, Demon Slayer <demonslayerNoSPAM_33...@yahoo.com>
> >wrote:
> >> The transmission fluid was inadvertently drained instead of the oil
> >> during an oil change. The car, which has only 37000 miles, was taken by
> >> flat bed truck to a VW dealer to have the fluid replaced per
> >> manufacturers specs. When picked-up the transmission was shifting a bit
> >> rough and within a week started banging into 1st gear and occasionally
> >> slipping into neutral at stops. I think the tech let too much fluid
> >> escape when replacing the transmission plug and the level is too low.
>
> >> The dealer blames an "obstruction" that has magically appeared and wants
> >> to change the filter screen and gasket (for only $690)! Also stated that
> >> the fluid was black (instead of red) to further push the obstruction issue.
>
> >> I believe they're trying to rip me off! Comments?
>
> >1.) Never take your car to a quicky-lube place.
> >2.) Never take your car to be repair by a dealer unless it's for
> >warranty/recall work.
> >3.) Automatic transmissions are evil.
>
> >Now, seriously - take the car to an independent. Have it towed if
> >necessary. Never darken the doors of that dealer again.
>
> >E.P.
>
> Regardless of (one's dislike for) dealers, the person who drained the
> transmission should be paying for the repair, not the OP! Put the
> screws to the responsible party and let them pay all.
I didn't say anything about who should pay. Or who was responsible
for the failure.
I said to get it away from the dealer.
> BTW, if the fluid is black, then it is burned, and that indicates that
> the transmission is slipping big time. I hate to say it, but I suspect
> you are looking at a rebuild on it.
I doubt that'll be good enough. Unless you replace the whole guts.
> As to 'obstruction'... HUH? Not even remotely possible. Now, if the
> fluid was grossly low you can do this type of damage, so your thought
> that the dealer didn't properly refill it could be a factor in the
> current problems.
Right - yet another reason to get it away from the dealer. If the
dealer can't figure out something this simple, then having them open
it up and replace stuff to the tune of $700 seems kinda stupid.
Here's what's going to happen: the dealer will blame the quicky
lube. The quicky lube will blame the dealer. Not enough evidence for
any kind of case, even in small-claims court to get either one of
them.
The OP owns this one, and is gonna eat $4k in tranny repairs.
Anyone want to take bets?
E.P.
03-10-2007 | 12:42 PM
#33
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Re: 2.8 A4 Transmission Fluid Drained by Mistake
On Mar 9, 2:51 pm, PeterD <pet...@hipson.net> wrote:
> On 9 Mar 2007 10:01:48 -0800, "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschem...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Mar 9, 9:42 am, Demon Slayer <demonslayerNoSPAM_33...@yahoo.com>
> >wrote:
> >> The transmission fluid was inadvertently drained instead of the oil
> >> during an oil change. The car, which has only 37000 miles, was taken by
> >> flat bed truck to a VW dealer to have the fluid replaced per
> >> manufacturers specs. When picked-up the transmission was shifting a bit
> >> rough and within a week started banging into 1st gear and occasionally
> >> slipping into neutral at stops. I think the tech let too much fluid
> >> escape when replacing the transmission plug and the level is too low.
>
> >> The dealer blames an "obstruction" that has magically appeared and wants
> >> to change the filter screen and gasket (for only $690)! Also stated that
> >> the fluid was black (instead of red) to further push the obstruction issue.
>
> >> I believe they're trying to rip me off! Comments?
>
> >1.) Never take your car to a quicky-lube place.
> >2.) Never take your car to be repair by a dealer unless it's for
> >warranty/recall work.
> >3.) Automatic transmissions are evil.
>
> >Now, seriously - take the car to an independent. Have it towed if
> >necessary. Never darken the doors of that dealer again.
>
> >E.P.
>
> Regardless of (one's dislike for) dealers, the person who drained the
> transmission should be paying for the repair, not the OP! Put the
> screws to the responsible party and let them pay all.
I didn't say anything about who should pay. Or who was responsible
for the failure.
I said to get it away from the dealer.
> BTW, if the fluid is black, then it is burned, and that indicates that
> the transmission is slipping big time. I hate to say it, but I suspect
> you are looking at a rebuild on it.
I doubt that'll be good enough. Unless you replace the whole guts.
> As to 'obstruction'... HUH? Not even remotely possible. Now, if the
> fluid was grossly low you can do this type of damage, so your thought
> that the dealer didn't properly refill it could be a factor in the
> current problems.
Right - yet another reason to get it away from the dealer. If the
dealer can't figure out something this simple, then having them open
it up and replace stuff to the tune of $700 seems kinda stupid.
Here's what's going to happen: the dealer will blame the quicky
lube. The quicky lube will blame the dealer. Not enough evidence for
any kind of case, even in small-claims court to get either one of
them.
The OP owns this one, and is gonna eat $4k in tranny repairs.
Anyone want to take bets?
E.P.
> On 9 Mar 2007 10:01:48 -0800, "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschem...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Mar 9, 9:42 am, Demon Slayer <demonslayerNoSPAM_33...@yahoo.com>
> >wrote:
> >> The transmission fluid was inadvertently drained instead of the oil
> >> during an oil change. The car, which has only 37000 miles, was taken by
> >> flat bed truck to a VW dealer to have the fluid replaced per
> >> manufacturers specs. When picked-up the transmission was shifting a bit
> >> rough and within a week started banging into 1st gear and occasionally
> >> slipping into neutral at stops. I think the tech let too much fluid
> >> escape when replacing the transmission plug and the level is too low.
>
> >> The dealer blames an "obstruction" that has magically appeared and wants
> >> to change the filter screen and gasket (for only $690)! Also stated that
> >> the fluid was black (instead of red) to further push the obstruction issue.
>
> >> I believe they're trying to rip me off! Comments?
>
> >1.) Never take your car to a quicky-lube place.
> >2.) Never take your car to be repair by a dealer unless it's for
> >warranty/recall work.
> >3.) Automatic transmissions are evil.
>
> >Now, seriously - take the car to an independent. Have it towed if
> >necessary. Never darken the doors of that dealer again.
>
> >E.P.
>
> Regardless of (one's dislike for) dealers, the person who drained the
> transmission should be paying for the repair, not the OP! Put the
> screws to the responsible party and let them pay all.
I didn't say anything about who should pay. Or who was responsible
for the failure.
I said to get it away from the dealer.
> BTW, if the fluid is black, then it is burned, and that indicates that
> the transmission is slipping big time. I hate to say it, but I suspect
> you are looking at a rebuild on it.
I doubt that'll be good enough. Unless you replace the whole guts.
> As to 'obstruction'... HUH? Not even remotely possible. Now, if the
> fluid was grossly low you can do this type of damage, so your thought
> that the dealer didn't properly refill it could be a factor in the
> current problems.
Right - yet another reason to get it away from the dealer. If the
dealer can't figure out something this simple, then having them open
it up and replace stuff to the tune of $700 seems kinda stupid.
Here's what's going to happen: the dealer will blame the quicky
lube. The quicky lube will blame the dealer. Not enough evidence for
any kind of case, even in small-claims court to get either one of
them.
The OP owns this one, and is gonna eat $4k in tranny repairs.
Anyone want to take bets?
E.P.
03-10-2007 | 04:57 PM
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Re: 2.8 A4 Transmission Fluid Drained by Mistake
Thanks for all your help! Especially Dave (VWDoc)for the ZF transmission
manual link. I now know that the fluid is supposed to be GREEN! The
dealer that replaced the fluid used RED fluid - stating that was the
only kind VW used (and the only kind they had)! I'll show them the
manual and end the argument right there.
Also, about who pays for the mistake.... that would be me! I was showing
my 17 year old son how to change the oil (whoops). I had always worked
on rear wheel drive autos in the past and I should have been more
attentive to what I was doing. Well.... the fluid was black and probably
needed changing anyway.
The last time the oil was changed by a "mechanic" it was drained.
Oh, did I forget something?
No... it was just drained!
The engine was a little low on oil..... about 3 1/2 quarts low!!!! Only
the oil pressure light saved the engine. Do you blame me for wanting to
make sure the job was done right this time?
Again, thank you for all your help.
manual link. I now know that the fluid is supposed to be GREEN! The
dealer that replaced the fluid used RED fluid - stating that was the
only kind VW used (and the only kind they had)! I'll show them the
manual and end the argument right there.
Also, about who pays for the mistake.... that would be me! I was showing
my 17 year old son how to change the oil (whoops). I had always worked
on rear wheel drive autos in the past and I should have been more
attentive to what I was doing. Well.... the fluid was black and probably
needed changing anyway.
The last time the oil was changed by a "mechanic" it was drained.
Oh, did I forget something?
No... it was just drained!
The engine was a little low on oil..... about 3 1/2 quarts low!!!! Only
the oil pressure light saved the engine. Do you blame me for wanting to
make sure the job was done right this time?
Again, thank you for all your help.
03-10-2007 | 04:57 PM
#35
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Re: 2.8 A4 Transmission Fluid Drained by Mistake
Thanks for all your help! Especially Dave (VWDoc)for the ZF transmission
manual link. I now know that the fluid is supposed to be GREEN! The
dealer that replaced the fluid used RED fluid - stating that was the
only kind VW used (and the only kind they had)! I'll show them the
manual and end the argument right there.
Also, about who pays for the mistake.... that would be me! I was showing
my 17 year old son how to change the oil (whoops). I had always worked
on rear wheel drive autos in the past and I should have been more
attentive to what I was doing. Well.... the fluid was black and probably
needed changing anyway.
The last time the oil was changed by a "mechanic" it was drained.
Oh, did I forget something?
No... it was just drained!
The engine was a little low on oil..... about 3 1/2 quarts low!!!! Only
the oil pressure light saved the engine. Do you blame me for wanting to
make sure the job was done right this time?
Again, thank you for all your help.
manual link. I now know that the fluid is supposed to be GREEN! The
dealer that replaced the fluid used RED fluid - stating that was the
only kind VW used (and the only kind they had)! I'll show them the
manual and end the argument right there.
Also, about who pays for the mistake.... that would be me! I was showing
my 17 year old son how to change the oil (whoops). I had always worked
on rear wheel drive autos in the past and I should have been more
attentive to what I was doing. Well.... the fluid was black and probably
needed changing anyway.
The last time the oil was changed by a "mechanic" it was drained.
Oh, did I forget something?
No... it was just drained!
The engine was a little low on oil..... about 3 1/2 quarts low!!!! Only
the oil pressure light saved the engine. Do you blame me for wanting to
make sure the job was done right this time?
Again, thank you for all your help.
03-10-2007 | 04:57 PM
#36
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Posts: n/a
Re: 2.8 A4 Transmission Fluid Drained by Mistake
Thanks for all your help! Especially Dave (VWDoc)for the ZF transmission
manual link. I now know that the fluid is supposed to be GREEN! The
dealer that replaced the fluid used RED fluid - stating that was the
only kind VW used (and the only kind they had)! I'll show them the
manual and end the argument right there.
Also, about who pays for the mistake.... that would be me! I was showing
my 17 year old son how to change the oil (whoops). I had always worked
on rear wheel drive autos in the past and I should have been more
attentive to what I was doing. Well.... the fluid was black and probably
needed changing anyway.
The last time the oil was changed by a "mechanic" it was drained.
Oh, did I forget something?
No... it was just drained!
The engine was a little low on oil..... about 3 1/2 quarts low!!!! Only
the oil pressure light saved the engine. Do you blame me for wanting to
make sure the job was done right this time?
Again, thank you for all your help.
manual link. I now know that the fluid is supposed to be GREEN! The
dealer that replaced the fluid used RED fluid - stating that was the
only kind VW used (and the only kind they had)! I'll show them the
manual and end the argument right there.
Also, about who pays for the mistake.... that would be me! I was showing
my 17 year old son how to change the oil (whoops). I had always worked
on rear wheel drive autos in the past and I should have been more
attentive to what I was doing. Well.... the fluid was black and probably
needed changing anyway.
The last time the oil was changed by a "mechanic" it was drained.
Oh, did I forget something?
No... it was just drained!
The engine was a little low on oil..... about 3 1/2 quarts low!!!! Only
the oil pressure light saved the engine. Do you blame me for wanting to
make sure the job was done right this time?
Again, thank you for all your help.
03-10-2007 | 04:57 PM
#37
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Posts: n/a
Re: 2.8 A4 Transmission Fluid Drained by Mistake
Thanks for all your help! Especially Dave (VWDoc)for the ZF transmission
manual link. I now know that the fluid is supposed to be GREEN! The
dealer that replaced the fluid used RED fluid - stating that was the
only kind VW used (and the only kind they had)! I'll show them the
manual and end the argument right there.
Also, about who pays for the mistake.... that would be me! I was showing
my 17 year old son how to change the oil (whoops). I had always worked
on rear wheel drive autos in the past and I should have been more
attentive to what I was doing. Well.... the fluid was black and probably
needed changing anyway.
The last time the oil was changed by a "mechanic" it was drained.
Oh, did I forget something?
No... it was just drained!
The engine was a little low on oil..... about 3 1/2 quarts low!!!! Only
the oil pressure light saved the engine. Do you blame me for wanting to
make sure the job was done right this time?
Again, thank you for all your help.
manual link. I now know that the fluid is supposed to be GREEN! The
dealer that replaced the fluid used RED fluid - stating that was the
only kind VW used (and the only kind they had)! I'll show them the
manual and end the argument right there.
Also, about who pays for the mistake.... that would be me! I was showing
my 17 year old son how to change the oil (whoops). I had always worked
on rear wheel drive autos in the past and I should have been more
attentive to what I was doing. Well.... the fluid was black and probably
needed changing anyway.
The last time the oil was changed by a "mechanic" it was drained.
Oh, did I forget something?
No... it was just drained!
The engine was a little low on oil..... about 3 1/2 quarts low!!!! Only
the oil pressure light saved the engine. Do you blame me for wanting to
make sure the job was done right this time?
Again, thank you for all your help.
03-10-2007 | 05:28 PM
#38
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Re: 2.8 A4 Transmission Fluid Drained by Mistake
Demon Slayer wrote:
> Thanks for all your help! Especially Dave (VWDoc)for the ZF transmission
> manual link. I now know that the fluid is supposed to be GREEN! The
> dealer that replaced the fluid used RED fluid - stating that was the
> only kind VW used (and the only kind they had)! I'll show them the
> manual and end the argument right there.
>
> Also, about who pays for the mistake.... that would be me! I was showing
> my 17 year old son how to change the oil (whoops). I had always worked
> on rear wheel drive autos in the past and I should have been more
> attentive to what I was doing. Well.... the fluid was black and probably
> needed changing anyway.
>
> The last time the oil was changed by a "mechanic" it was drained.
>
> Oh, did I forget something?
>
> No... it was just drained!
>
> The engine was a little low on oil..... about 3 1/2 quarts low!!!! Only
> the oil pressure light saved the engine. Do you blame me for wanting to
> make sure the job was done right this time?
>
> Again, thank you for all your help.
The mistake is easy to make given the location of the trans drain plug being so
close to the front, especially the first time you DIY.
Given that green and red were mixed you might be lucky by several complete
flushes and replacing with the green. Seems it would be worth a try before
anything more major.
03-10-2007 | 05:28 PM
#39
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Re: 2.8 A4 Transmission Fluid Drained by Mistake
Demon Slayer wrote:
> Thanks for all your help! Especially Dave (VWDoc)for the ZF transmission
> manual link. I now know that the fluid is supposed to be GREEN! The
> dealer that replaced the fluid used RED fluid - stating that was the
> only kind VW used (and the only kind they had)! I'll show them the
> manual and end the argument right there.
>
> Also, about who pays for the mistake.... that would be me! I was showing
> my 17 year old son how to change the oil (whoops). I had always worked
> on rear wheel drive autos in the past and I should have been more
> attentive to what I was doing. Well.... the fluid was black and probably
> needed changing anyway.
>
> The last time the oil was changed by a "mechanic" it was drained.
>
> Oh, did I forget something?
>
> No... it was just drained!
>
> The engine was a little low on oil..... about 3 1/2 quarts low!!!! Only
> the oil pressure light saved the engine. Do you blame me for wanting to
> make sure the job was done right this time?
>
> Again, thank you for all your help.
The mistake is easy to make given the location of the trans drain plug being so
close to the front, especially the first time you DIY.
Given that green and red were mixed you might be lucky by several complete
flushes and replacing with the green. Seems it would be worth a try before
anything more major.
03-10-2007 | 05:28 PM
#40
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Posts: n/a
Re: 2.8 A4 Transmission Fluid Drained by Mistake
Demon Slayer wrote:
> Thanks for all your help! Especially Dave (VWDoc)for the ZF transmission
> manual link. I now know that the fluid is supposed to be GREEN! The
> dealer that replaced the fluid used RED fluid - stating that was the
> only kind VW used (and the only kind they had)! I'll show them the
> manual and end the argument right there.
>
> Also, about who pays for the mistake.... that would be me! I was showing
> my 17 year old son how to change the oil (whoops). I had always worked
> on rear wheel drive autos in the past and I should have been more
> attentive to what I was doing. Well.... the fluid was black and probably
> needed changing anyway.
>
> The last time the oil was changed by a "mechanic" it was drained.
>
> Oh, did I forget something?
>
> No... it was just drained!
>
> The engine was a little low on oil..... about 3 1/2 quarts low!!!! Only
> the oil pressure light saved the engine. Do you blame me for wanting to
> make sure the job was done right this time?
>
> Again, thank you for all your help.
The mistake is easy to make given the location of the trans drain plug being so
close to the front, especially the first time you DIY.
Given that green and red were mixed you might be lucky by several complete
flushes and replacing with the green. Seems it would be worth a try before
anything more major.
