My Audi 1985 Audi 4000 is running perfectly well when warmed up after
about one minute.

The problem is rough idle and running rich when starting the cold
engine.

I replaced a leaking valve cover gasket, airfilter and sparkplugs,
checked the idle valve, but have not been able to pinpoint the cause.


Any hints would be appreciated

marti-

 

How do you know it is running rich?
Is it also idling either too low or too high?

Check your coolant temperature sensor for the fuel injection.
Check for a weak ign coil.
Check the fuel pressure and the current to the fuel pressure regulator.
Check the fuel distributor flap level according to the Bentley. Oh and
clean that area too!
I have seen bad/leaking fuel injector seals cause some idling problems too!
You can spray some carb cleaner at them to see if the idle changes any.
--
later,
dave
(One out of many daves)

"vgf" <jhl@x.vgf> wrote in message
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> My Audi 1985 Audi 4000 is running perfectly well when warmed up after
> about one minute.
>
> The problem is rough idle and running rich when starting the cold
> engine.
>
> I replaced a leaking valve cover gasket, airfilter and sparkplugs,
> checked the idle valve, but have not been able to pinpoint the cause.

 

On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 13:41:15 -0500, "dave AKA vwdoc1"
<vwdoc1nospam@pleasehotmail.com> wrote:

>How do you know it is running rich?
>Is it also idling either too low or too high?
>
>Check your coolant temperature sensor for the fuel injection.
>Check for a weak ign coil.
>Check the fuel pressure and the current to the fuel pressure regulator.
>Check the fuel distributor flap level according to the Bentley. Oh and
>clean that area too!
>I have seen bad/leaking fuel injector seals cause some idling problems too!
>You can spray some carb cleaner at them to see if the idle changes any.

Dave,

Yes, it is running rich because you can smell the excess gas and the
engine stutters, most likelybecause the combustion chamber is
temporarily flooded with gasoline.

Thanks for the tips, they make good sense!

marti

 

dave AKA vwdoc1 wrote:
> How do you know it is running rich?
> Is it also idling either too low or too high?
>
> Check your coolant temperature sensor for the fuel injection.
> Check for a weak ign coil.
> Check the fuel pressure and the current to the fuel pressure regulator.
> Check the fuel distributor flap level according to the Bentley. Oh and
> clean that area too!
> I have seen bad/leaking fuel injector seals cause some idling problems too!
> You can spray some carb cleaner at them to see if the idle changes any.
>
It might also be an idea to run a bottle of Techron injector cleaner in
a few tanks.

 

hmmm I have not seen an '85-87 Audi 4000 in awhile. The system is a little
different than my '83 Audi 4000S.
Is there a Cold Start Valve that might be staying on a little too long?
Maybe you could try unplugging it electrically and starting the engine cold
to see what it does.


"vgf" <jhl@x.vgf> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 13:41:15 -0500, "dave AKA vwdoc1"
> <vwdoc1nospam@pleasehotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>How do you know it is running rich?
>>Is it also idling either too low or too high?
>>
>>Check your coolant temperature sensor for the fuel injection.
>>Check for a weak ign coil.
>>Check the fuel pressure and the current to the fuel pressure regulator.
>>Check the fuel distributor flap level according to the Bentley. Oh and
>>clean that area too!
>>I have seen bad/leaking fuel injector seals cause some idling problems
>>too!
>>You can spray some carb cleaner at them to see if the idle changes any.
>
> Dave,
>
> Yes, it is running rich because you can smell the excess gas and the
> engine stutters, most likelybecause the combustion chamber is
> temporarily flooded with gasoline.
>
> Thanks for the tips, they make good sense!
>
> marti
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

 

On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 19:28:27 -0500, "dave AKA vwdoc1"
<vwdoc1nospam@pleasehotmail.com> wrote:

>hmmm I have not seen an '85-87 Audi 4000 in awhile. The system is a little
>different than my '83 Audi 4000S.
>Is there a Cold Start Valve that might be staying on a little too long?
>Maybe you could try unplugging it electrically and starting the engine cold
>to see what it does.

Yes, it has a cold start valve, unplugging the wire does not cause any
change, which does not seem right either. Will keep exploring.....
>
>
>"vgf" <jhl@x.vgf> wrote in message
>news:rtco44db5gp514k5l0fdnb7tenjtrknpvb@4ax.com.. .
>> On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 13:41:15 -0500, "dave AKA vwdoc1"
>> <vwdoc1nospam@pleasehotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>How do you know it is running rich?
>>>Is it also idling either too low or too high?
>>>
>>>Check your coolant temperature sensor for the fuel injection.
>>>Check for a weak ign coil.
>>>Check the fuel pressure and the current to the fuel pressure regulator.
>>>Check the fuel distributor flap level according to the Bentley. Oh and
>>>clean that area too!
>>>I have seen bad/leaking fuel injector seals cause some idling problems
>>>too!
>>>You can spray some carb cleaner at them to see if the idle changes any.
>>
>> Dave,
>>
>> Yes, it is running rich because you can smell the excess gas and the
>> engine stutters, most likelybecause the combustion chamber is
>> temporarily flooded with gasoline.
>>
>> Thanks for the tips, they make good sense!
>>
>> marti
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

 

Is the cold start valve leaking?

"vgf" <jhl@x.vgf> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 19:28:27 -0500, "dave AKA vwdoc1"
> <vwdoc1nospam@pleasehotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>hmmm I have not seen an '85-87 Audi 4000 in awhile. The system is a
>>little
>>different than my '83 Audi 4000S.
>>Is there a Cold Start Valve that might be staying on a little too long?
>>Maybe you could try unplugging it electrically and starting the engine
>>cold
>>to see what it does.
>
> Yes, it has a cold start valve, unplugging the wire does not cause any
> change, which does not seem right either. Will keep exploring.....

 

On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:20:28 -0500, "dave AKA vwdoc1"
<vwdoc1nospam@pleasehotmail.com> wrote:

>Is the cold start valve leaking?

I don't see any outside leaks. Now, I just looked at my 5000s Bentley
Book and it talks about the throttle switch. There is a throttle
switch on this 85 4000s also, when I disconnect the connector the idle
speed zooms up.

The adjustments seem pretty convulated. I think I'll just put up with
this, since the car runs perfect once it warms up in about less than a
minute.

I'll have most manuals, but I think I'll get the Bentley manual for
this 1985 4000s.
>
>"vgf" <jhl@x.vgf> wrote in message
>news:fcpr44tq092djtnu3197idjn8n1rkea9ch@4ax.com.. .
>> On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 19:28:27 -0500, "dave AKA vwdoc1"
>> <vwdoc1nospam@pleasehotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>hmmm I have not seen an '85-87 Audi 4000 in awhile. The system is a
>>>little
>>>different than my '83 Audi 4000S.
>>>Is there a Cold Start Valve that might be staying on a little too long?
>>>Maybe you could try unplugging it electrically and starting the engine
>>>cold
>>>to see what it does.
>>
>> Yes, it has a cold start valve, unplugging the wire does not cause any
>> change, which does not seem right either. Will keep exploring.....
>

 

Sometimes the cold start valve leaks fuel on the inside creating a richer
mixture.
I think the Bentley manual instructs you on how to check them.

Yes it could be a problem with the throttle switches, one for idle and one
for wide open throttle....if so equipped.

"vgf" <jhl@x.vgf> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:20:28 -0500, "dave AKA vwdoc1"
> <vwdoc1nospam@pleasehotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Is the cold start valve leaking?
>
> I don't see any outside leaks. Now, I just looked at my 5000s Bentley
> Book and it talks about the throttle switch. There is a throttle
> switch on this 85 4000s also, when I disconnect the connector the idle
> speed zooms up.
>
> The adjustments seem pretty convulated. I think I'll just put up with
> this, since the car runs perfect once it warms up in about less than a
> minute.
>
> I'll have most manuals, but I think I'll get the Bentley manual for
> this 1985 4000s.
>>
>>"vgf" <jhl@x.vgf> wrote in message
>>news:fcpr44tq092djtnu3197idjn8n1rkea9ch@4ax.com. ..
>>> On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 19:28:27 -0500, "dave AKA vwdoc1"
>>> <vwdoc1nospam@pleasehotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>hmmm I have not seen an '85-87 Audi 4000 in awhile. The system is a
>>>>little
>>>>different than my '83 Audi 4000S.
>>>>Is there a Cold Start Valve that might be staying on a little too long?
>>>>Maybe you could try unplugging it electrically and starting the engine
>>>>cold
>>>>to see what it does.
>>>
>>> Yes, it has a cold start valve, unplugging the wire does not cause any
>>> change, which does not seem right either. Will keep exploring.....
>>

 

On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:46:15 -0500, "dave AKA vwdoc1"
<vwdoc1nospam@pleasehotmail.com> wrote:

>Sometimes the cold start valve leaks fuel on the inside creating a richer
>mixture.
>I think the Bentley manual instructs you on how to check them.
>
>Yes it could be a problem with the throttle switches, one for idle and one
>for wide open throttle....if so equipped.

Dave,
Thanks for all the input.

These old cars can be a challenge. But than again, everything gets
older from day one....

>"vgf" <jhl@x.vgf> wrote in message
>news:ksv054tcl6madaqs9cutfs9n1p44vu6eo3@4ax.com.. .
>> On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:20:28 -0500, "dave AKA vwdoc1"
>> <vwdoc1nospam@pleasehotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Is the cold start valve leaking?
>>
>> I don't see any outside leaks. Now, I just looked at my 5000s Bentley
>> Book and it talks about the throttle switch. There is a throttle
>> switch on this 85 4000s also, when I disconnect the connector the idle
>> speed zooms up.
>>
>> The adjustments seem pretty convulated. I think I'll just put up with
>> this, since the car runs perfect once it warms up in about less than a
>> minute.
>>
>> I'll have most manuals, but I think I'll get the Bentley manual for
>> this 1985 4000s.
>>>
>>>"vgf" <jhl@x.vgf> wrote in message
>>>news:fcpr44tq092djtnu3197idjn8n1rkea9ch@4ax.com ...
>>>> On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 19:28:27 -0500, "dave AKA vwdoc1"
>>>> <vwdoc1nospam@pleasehotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>hmmm I have not seen an '85-87 Audi 4000 in awhile. The system is a
>>>>>little
>>>>>different than my '83 Audi 4000S.
>>>>>Is there a Cold Start Valve that might be staying on a little too long?
>>>>>Maybe you could try unplugging it electrically and starting the engine
>>>>>cold
>>>>>to see what it does.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, it has a cold start valve, unplugging the wire does not cause any
>>>> change, which does not seem right either. Will keep exploring.....
>>>
>